Hmm are you saying tyres on a modern low budget family car have *much* more grip than those on 60s F1?
They should. I remember dads car could do years with them and I cannot 1. So much softer compounds nowdays.
they gotta make money somehow, if they sold use rock hard tires that last 10+ years then they'd never make any money on new tires!
Sounds strange to me to be honest, also let's be specific and talk only about years 1966-68 since thats what the EVE and Spark cars simulate. I can easily believe that in 1960 the tyres were horrible but there was a big development during the 60s
Even 80s tyres are inferior to todays tires. If you want I can ask my dad to come up with some figures. He has every single Tekniikan Maailma (a very long running Finnish magazine concerning various things from cameras, audio, aviation and so on but mainly focusing on cars) since something like 1960, and they've done tyre tests for ages.
The bias-ply's must be harder than todays "family sedan" Imagine those V8 beasts with tires with the quality of todays "family sedan", pressing to their limit in every turn a whole race. I think those tires would go off very fast. The bias-ply's could be used multiple races (even if that was not very common...). But of course the Bias-ply's are much harder.
Concerning the big difference in grip and handling between Brabham and EVE/Spark, I'm not sure, but was there not a big difference in engine power between 1966 and 1968 somewhere? Then it's obvius the EVE/Spark is harder to control when putting a more powerful engine in the same chassi. But maybe I'm wrong, because according to wikipedia the same engines was used 1966 and 1968. V8 or V12's 3.0 or 2.0 liters. Then I don't know why there's a huuuge difference in power between them either.
The biggest advance in tyre technology was the dissapearence of the inner tube which happened at early 90s if I recall well. As I understand evolution steps where at decade intervals approximately.
Some relative figures from ingame :- (Default Setup 50 Litres) Spark F1 - 605KG, 420BHP, 364Nm, 1.40g Spark F2 - 525KG, 225BHP, 183Nm, 1.31g, (1.35g WING) Spark F3 - 475KG, 115BHP, 99Nm, 1.23g BT20 - 630KG, 311BHP, 311Nm, 1.30g
^That's why it doesn't seem to me that those tyres had so little grip. 1.40g is a lot. Now if we count with 3times the weight for our family car (=1800kg) this would mean about 1.2g. Show me a family car that does 1.2g. Unless I counted horribly wrong.
I've done some testing tonight at Spa. I did 3 runs. One with the Brabham, and two with the Spark. 3:36 is a common hotlap time for me with the Brabham. Then I changed to Spark, and did my best to copy the acceleration and top speed of the Brabham. Only using 60-80% of the throttle (whatever...) to reach maximum 288 kph, like Brabham. Of course it's hard to copy the perfect acceleration but I think I did it pretty well. However my lap time was 3:35. But that's not the point. The point is that Spark was exactly as easy and balanced to drive as the Brabham, when I used the same speed. Probably it was even better. The next lap I pushed it to it's limit (well, mine limit) and crashed. But when pushing the Spark I can cut off more than 10 seconds but it's more likely that I crash. So adding a so much more powerful engine into pretty much the same chassi will surely make the car unstable and hard to drive. I think ISI made the Spark quite well. I will not even mention EVE, it's steady as hell around Spa And of course I have to mention I used the default setups.
Drop out of the discussion anytime you're overwhelmed, but there's no rational discussion when people dump smartassed pics and then congratulate each other whilst further ridiculing me or anyone having problems with this car. Those who claim the cars fine act like they're the majority, but there's others in here who agree with me to some extent, and the fact that NO-ONE drives the F1 online. What about the F3.5 pre b85, was that perfect and anyone questioning it crazy or useless?
Yep, way too much rock and roll with the F1, very hard to make sense of, and understeer, talk about a mountain of it.
SMS's pcars has a Lotus 49.....I picked up 5th gear down conrod straight and it sent me flying off the track, so what is it about this car/type that everyone seems intent on ruining?
RIGHT THERE Chump, two examples of the car behaving the same in completley different games and yet again its not your problem its a problem with the cars themselves.....HELLO? MCFLY? ANYONE HOME absolute 'end!
While I dont enjoy seing people attacking you, you seem to enjoy turning everything in a fight which I dont enjoy at all. Otherwise I agree in almost everything you comment for F1 60s
