Ferrari with rFPro

Spinelli said:
All I know is that it was pretty much widespread across the F1 paddock that Ferrari had one of the weakest simulators in all of Formula 1; that has obviously changed now and it's so cool to see Ferrari going with rFactor Pro.
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I think you're confusing the simulator with the wind tunnel. AFAIK the Ferrari simulator was one of the most complex and expensive in the F1 area. I think they're switching mostly because a better tire patch/terrain physics combo. I remember Montenzemolo complaining because of the bloody expensive (6 Millions $) investment for their simulator, instead re-introducing real tests...canceled for budget savings. :)

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Spinelli said:
Maybe Ferrari got fed up with Kunos and wanted something a bit more sophisticated in the physics department, who knows. All I know is that it was pretty much widespread across the F1 paddock that Ferrari had one of the weakest simulators in all of Formula 1; that has obviously changed now and it's so cool to see Ferrari going with rFactor Pro.
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Maybe if you bothered to read the thread you would know that Kunos didn't provide software to Ferrari's simulator.
 
Descoat said:
LOL.

Thousands euros spent in a professional driver to develop a simulator and finally they decided to use a rfactorPRO software. This F1 team is completely lost. I understand now why Alonso has decided to leave that chaos.

Sincerely, I don´t know If there´s a possibility to test that software like a demo. But for sure, that it will be quite different than rf2, specially under wet conditions.
McLaren simulator is one of the best but none of them are close to the real cars as many professional drivers have said for years.

We need real tests in a real road, with a real car. In 10 years, perhaps hardware can support a complex software and can simulate in real time everything.
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That comment is quite pointless sorry, in fact you are contradicting yourself. McLaren even with their awesome simulator, and a much better engine, is clearly behind Ferrari this season (and last seasons). So yes, simulators are very interesting tools for the drivers, but they are still far away from other areas. Having the best simulator is pointless if the data that you get from the wind tunnel doesn't correlate with the real telemetry, for instance. If anything, the simulator choice was the most irrelevant problem of Ferrari.

Speaking about rFPro, I'm still amazed that very few people have really bothered to read what they do on their website. There is so much misleading information on forums...
 
Tuttle said:
I think you're confusing the simulator with the wind tunnel. AFAIK the Ferrari simulator was one of the most complex and expensive in the F1 area. I think they're switching mostly because a better tire patch/terrain physics combo. I remember Montenzemolo complaining because of the bloody expensive (6 Millions $) investment for their simulator, instead re-introducing real tests...canceled for budget savings. :)

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Looks like the War of the Worlds!
 
C3PO said:
Looks like the War of the Worlds!
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It is! :D

 
Here lies the confusion for me, when AC first arrived on the scene I was involved in many debates/arguments with AC fans on a few forums, Usual rF2 is better/AC is better stupidity. But what I do remember is many AC fans ramming down my throat how Ferrari used Kunos for its sim/F1 team whatever. So all along it wasn't true anyway and all Kunos was used for was some Tourist attracton ;)
 
PRC Steve said:
Here lies the confusion for me, when AC first arrived on the scene I was involved in many debates/arguments with AC fans on a few forums, Usual rF2 is better/AC is better stupidity. But what I do remember is many AC fans ramming down my throat how Ferrari used Kunos for its sim/F1 team whatever. So all along it wasn't true anyway and all Kunos was used for was some Tourist attracton ;)
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Dallara uses AC! Not just the visuals either.

 
Domi said:
That comment is quite pointless sorry, in fact you are contradicting yourself. McLaren even with their awesome simulator, and a much better engine, is clearly behind Ferrari this season (and last seasons). So yes, simulators are very interesting tools for the drivers, but they are still far away from other areas. Having the best simulator is pointless if the data that you get from the wind tunnel doesn't correlate with the real telemetry, for instance. If anything, the simulator choice was the most irrelevant problem of Ferrari.

Speaking about rFPro, I'm still amazed that very few people have really bothered to read what they do on their website. There is so much misleading information on forums...
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I´m not saying that ferrari is a chaos because of it´s simulator, perhaps I didn´t explain it better. Ferrari is a chaos even with it´s simulator. Hope you will understand now. But the decission of changing it are like all the decissions they are taking in years: chaos

Mclaren didn´t made a good job because many factors affected them, and none of them were from it´s simulator:

1.- Paddy Lowe went to Mercedes, as many others in the past.
2.- Mercedes didn´t gave them complete information about their engine ( logical )
3.- it´s stupid to develop a car for a Mercedes engine if they are not going to work with it in the future. This year was only to test the really car for next years.

I think James Allison begins to feel that return ferrari was not his best choice. Aldo costa is laughing in Mercedes´s motorhome.
 
PRC Steve said:
Here lies the confusion for me, when AC first arrived on the scene I was involved in many debates/arguments with AC fans on a few forums, Usual rF2 is better/AC is better stupidity. But what I do remember is many AC fans ramming down my throat how Ferrari used Kunos for its sim/F1 team whatever. So all along it wasn't true anyway and all Kunos was used for was some Tourist attracton ;)
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From SimHQ. ;)

There are automotive companies which already use the base of Assetto Corsa. It is in action in the motion simulator of the Ferrari Museum in Maranello. And it is used in the company’s industrial (non-F1) simulator. Dallara also have the product in their full motion million dollar plus rig. As technology develops for home use too, the strength of the key components of any racing simulator can continue.


If using AC/rF2 or whatever other sim for professional use might help developers with consumer version too... well, I can only be happy as we will end up with better sims too. :D

Edit: I think SimHQ is referring to this.
 
BTW, I'm suprised this hasn't been made more of ... last week McLaren put out a promo video of a day in the life of Jenson. Very nice little film. One thing which hit me though was they actually went into the McLaren simulator room, which AFAIK has never been seen except for the outside of the door. You don't see a whole lot but enough to glean a little bit of information about it.

I was surprised to see it, so naturally grabbed a screenshot on my phone playing the vid:

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Mrslfrsl said:
Heh, I was just curious what you are talking about. And what has this to do with Kunos all of sudden?
Going by your logic ISI just signs a deal of paper with a second party and the second party makes it all work from the deal of paper like magic.
Doubt that.
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Tuttle said:
I think you're confusing the simulator with the wind tunnel. AFAIK the Ferrari simulator was one of the most complex and expensive in the F1 area. I think they're switching mostly because a better tire patch/terrain physics combo. I remember Montenzemolo complaining because of the bloody expensive (6 Millions $) investment for their simulator, instead re-introducing real tests...canceled for budget savings. :)

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I am not talking about the physical design of the simulator :) , I am talking about the software itself. Pistons and all that crazy complex stuff doesn't mean anything if they are running Need for Speed :) . It's been widely known for many seasons now that Ferrari was very weak in the simulator area. I am not surprised they were looking for a major software upgrade.
 
Spinelli said:
I am not talking about the physical design of the simulator :) , I am talking about the software itself. Pistons and all that crazy complex stuff doesn't mean anything if they are running Need for Speed :) . It's been widely known for many seasons now that Ferrari was very weak in the simulator area. I am not surprised they were looking for a major software upgrade.
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The weakness, as I understood it, was in the hardware.
 
C3PO said:
The weakness, as I understood it, was in the hardware.
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All I know is De La Rosa working for the Ferrari F1 simulator and saying the weak point was the lack of real car data from real tracks to make things matching from IRL to virtual. That's the most complex part of the simulation job; simulate the given car physics to improve it. This meant for the team adding wind tunnels output data in the software simulation, instead real collected data on track, impossible due the new regulation. The other use it's just the track training, more focused on learning.
 
Tuttle said:
All I know is De La Rosa working for the Ferrari F1 simulator and saying the weak point was the lack of real car data from real tracks to make things matching from IRL to virtual. That's the most complex part of the simulation job; simulate the given car physics to improve it. This meant for the team adding wind tunnels output data in the software simulation, instead real collected data on track, impossible due the new regulation. The other use it's just the track training, more focused on learning.
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Ah yes ... now I remember something about this ... there was certainly an issue with correlation in RL and correlation in the wind tunnel. Sounds like they've gone the whole mile to change things around.
 
Guimengo said:
Apparently they have a very bad relationship now, I wonder when and how that happened! Certainly after Kunos got to license all those cars, but man... huge loss for Kunos. Unfortunately for us rFactor Pro isn't directly associated with any games we play.
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Please don't state opinion as fact. :)
 
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