Ferrari with rFPro

The sim in the Ferrari museum is running AC but the real pilots will use rFactor Pro. Hard not to chuckle at that a bit.

Maybe this will open the door with Ferrari, F40 LM or F50 road car? (Check out build-threads and crack open a cold beer, one of the best resto threads on a F40 LM.)

Have to rethink Ferrari in F1, this is a sign that the old ways are ending. Marco's days as team principle are probably limited to the remainder of this season.
 
Heh, I was just curious what you are talking about. And what has this to do with Kunos all of sudden?
Going by your logic ISI just signs a deal of paper with a second party and the second party makes it all work from the deal of paper like magic.
Doubt that.

It doesn't have to do with Kunos, it was part of the argument. Kunos used to provide support to Ferrari for both fan museum simulator and for the team, but there was a falling out somewhere. rFactor Pro isn't an ISI enterprise so it is not the same. It would be wonderful if ISI had some pull similar to what Kunos achieved with Ferrari, and actually who knows what Gjon Camaj and Tim Wheatley have cooking in their minds and networks of contacts, but the argument is that this work done with the teams is very unlikely to wield benefits to rFactor 2.

ISI provides a lot and rF Pro utilizes it. rF Pro folks may obtain very specific team data (or not, the teams may have people to enter specific things) but because rFP isn't ISI, it doesn't carry over (NDAs as example of why). The same can be reasoned for content, deals for rFP are specific to that platform which isn't widely, commercially available. It would be a dream to have Ferrari cars done for rFactor 2, like the dream it is to have some of them in Assetto Corsa, but again because it isn't the same entity the original point remains.
 
It doesn't have to do with Kunos, it was part of the argument. Kunos used to provide support to Ferrari for both fan museum simulator and for the team, but there was a falling out somewhere. rFactor Pro isn't an ISI enterprise so it is not the same. It would be wonderful if ISI had some pull similar to what Kunos achieved with Ferrari, and actually who knows what Gjon Camaj and Tim Wheatley have cooking in their minds and networks of contacts, but the argument is that this work done with the teams is very unlikely to wield benefits to rFactor 2.

ISI provides a lot and rF Pro utilizes it. rF Pro folks may obtain very specific team data (or not, the teams may have people to enter specific things) but because rFP isn't ISI, it doesn't carry over (NDAs as example of why). The same can be reasoned for content, deals for rFP are specific to that platform which isn't widely, commercially available. It would be a dream to have Ferrari cars done for rFactor 2, like the dream it is to have some of them in Assetto Corsa, but again because it isn't the same entity the original point remains.

Well there are two ways rFPro could benefit rF2. One is the contacts with teams which could lead to licences. But the other area it could benefit rF2 is in the core engine. As you said rFPro isn't owned by ISI so gaining cheap access to licences probably will not happen. But rFPro does have impacts on rF2's engine. More teams using rFPro isn't a bad thing for ISI thats for sure.
 
Marco's days as team principle are probably limited to the remainder of this season.

I think the opposite. The guy is oozing Enzo Ferrari. He came in critical of the engine (regardless of them having to develop to a smaller size), cut the people heading their fields, and laid it to Alonso that it's the car that matters, not the driver... though that definitely isn't the case with how Fernando drives. Luca di Montezemolo often let criticism from Fernando slip because it was the truth, but maybe he softened up to Alonso over the years and the message from the Agnelli family was clear.

That said, the guy comes from America so here's hoping he has kids who play games and the thought of more Ferrari cars in different sims like rFactor 2 is a very attractive option :p.

Well there are two ways rFPro could benefit rF2. One is the contacts with teams which could lead to licences. But the other area it could benefit rF2 is in the core engine. As you said rFPro isn't owned by ISI so gaining cheap access to licences probably will not happen. But rFPro does have impacts on rF2's engine. More teams using rFPro isn't a bad thing for ISI thats for sure.

By that reasoning though why don't we have more F1 cars or even road/racing cars from F1 teams? rF Pro is out to sell their services, not push people towards ISI. Working with rF Pro to serve their needs may shed some light on some areas for ISI so the pmotor side is more extensive but specific info is likely required and ISI isn't the one dealing with the teams so they can't have access to it. <-- Speculation
 
By that reasoning though why don't we have more F1 cars or even road/racing cars from F1 teams? rF Pro is out to sell their services, not push people towards ISI. Working with rF Pro to serve their needs may shed some light on some areas for ISI so the pmotor side is more extensive but specific info is likely required and ISI isn't the one dealing with the teams so they can't have access to it. <-- Speculation

I guess I didn't word that very clear. I was saying it could potentially bring licences but because rFPro isn't ISI it probably will not happen and hasn't happened. I was agreeing with you.
 
It doesn't have to do with Kunos, it was part of the argument. Kunos used to provide support to Ferrari for both fan museum simulator and for the team, but there was a falling out somewhere. rFactor Pro isn't an ISI enterprise so it is not the same. It would be wonderful if ISI had some pull similar to what Kunos achieved with Ferrari, and actually who knows what Gjon Camaj and Tim Wheatley have cooking in their minds and networks of contacts, but the argument is that this work done with the teams is very unlikely to wield benefits to rFactor 2.

ISI provides a lot and rF Pro utilizes it. rF Pro folks may obtain very specific team data (or not, the teams may have people to enter specific things) but because rFP isn't ISI, it doesn't carry over (NDAs as example of why). The same can be reasoned for content, deals for rFP are specific to that platform which isn't widely, commercially available. It would be a dream to have Ferrari cars done for rFactor 2, like the dream it is to have some of them in Assetto Corsa, but again because it isn't the same entity the original point remains.

Kunos provided only the GFX engine for Ferrari apart from the show simulators. They had no involvment in the F1 part apart from this.
The other part was done by VI-grade AFAIK.
Just as rf pro is using the current rf2 gfx engine just not pulling it through directX.

The difference is that isi devoloped rf pro aswell working together with an F1 one team which I assume was McLaren. And if they say they learned a lot for rf2 through this I guess it is true. The problem is you cant run rf pro on consumer home PC's and therefore the real time physics department has to be simplyfied quite a lot.
BTW rf pro has modelling vendors for v-grade as well.

The difference is the technology. This know how is not just hot air.
Actually I'd like to know more about that but there isn't much info out there for the 0815 simracer.

What data you get for your consumer simracing game from manufacturers is another storry.
 
I think the opposite. The guy is oozing Enzo Ferrari. He came in critical of the engine (regardless of them having to develop to a smaller size), cut the people heading their fields, and laid it to Alonso that it's the car that matters, not the driver... though that definitely isn't the case with how Fernando drives. Luca di Montezemolo often let criticism from Fernando slip because it was the truth, but maybe he softened up to Alonso over the years and the message from the Agnelli family was clear.

That said, the guy comes from America so here's hoping he has kids who play games and the thought of more Ferrari cars in different sims like rFactor 2 is a very attractive option :p.

Well my guess is as good as yours and I respect your opinion (F1 discussion is fun nonetheless) but Marco was hand picked by Montezemolo who was just booted from the CEO spot. Marco is a salesman, doesn't know squat about racing or engineering. Salesmen can fumble their way through running a Fortune 500 company but in a sport where results are immediate and very public, I don't see it working well. Montezemolo picked him because he's knows how Ferrari "works" internally not because he knows anything about F1. My opinion of course but how Ferrari works is the root of their problem. Picking someone like Marco to run the team is more an example of Ferrari's old ways. Five bucks says he's replaced before next season begins. :)

I'd also take Alonso over Vettel. If they think Alonso was critical of Ferrari, wait until Vettel is struggling. Bottas to replace Kimi would have been a smarter choice I think. Anyway, sorry for off topic folks.
 
My last comment here (I'll try my best to stick to my word!) and it'll still be off-topic :p.

Remember Flavio Briatore? Absolutely no racing experience yet he was annoyingly good at running Benetton (regardless of the illegal traction control) and Renault. People aren't born with experience but acumen instead. Marco ran things in the US and if he fits the Ferrari profile and can be an effective leader, why switch? He already has the bitch resting face aspect down perfectly :p.
 
I think the opposite. The guy is oozing Enzo Ferrari. He came in critical of the engine (regardless of them having to develop to a smaller size), cut the people heading their fields, and laid it to Alonso that it's the car that matters, not the driver... though that definitely isn't the case with how Fernando drives. Luca di Montezemolo often let criticism from Fernando slip because it was the truth, but maybe he softened up to Alonso over the years and the message from the Agnelli family was clear..

Enzo would probably have loved Alonso. Enzo favored drivers with style and those that were fully committed. If they were in those categories he would tolerate much from them. In the current paddock, Alonso (arguably) leads the pack in those regards.
 
Hahahah....Massarutohave said in ValleLunga during AC presentation that AC would be base of Ferrari F1 team's simulators ..hahahaha

Incorrect. He never said that. He always made it clear, and to me, that the F1 simulator did not feature AC.
 
Kunos provided only the GFX engine for Ferrari apart from the show simulators. They had no involvment in the F1 part apart from this.
The other part was done by VI-grade AFAIK.
Just as rf pro is using the current rf2 gfx engine just not pulling it through directX.

The difference is that isi devoloped rf pro aswell working together with an F1 one team which I assume was McLaren. And if they say they learned a lot for rf2 through this I guess it is true. The problem is you cant run rf pro on consumer home PC's and therefore the real time physics department has to be simplyfied quite a lot.
BTW rf pro has modelling vendors for v-grade as well.

The difference is the technology. This know how is not just hot air.
Actually I'd like to know more about that but there isn't much info out there for the 0815 simracer.

What data you get for your consumer simracing game from manufacturers is another storry.

^ what he says.
 
Apparently they have a very bad relationship now, I wonder when and how that happened! Certainly after Kunos got to license all those cars, but man... huge loss for Kunos. Unfortunately for us rFactor Pro isn't directly associated with any games we play.

I wouldn't be so sure. Half the Ferrari factory seemed to be at their press launch for AC.
 
Despite multiple people in this thread citing that Kunos was not the physics software in the Ferrari F1 simulator and the fact that RFPro is related but not the same software as RF2, still there is chest beating that this news somehow makes "my sim better than yours".

It never ceases to amaze me that some people seem to find a significant portion of their self esteem tied into what video game they like best.
 
LOL.

Thousands euros spent in a professional driver to develop a simulator and finally they decided to use a rfactorPRO software. This F1 team is completely lost. I understand now why Alonso has decided to leave that chaos.

Sincerely, I don´t know If there´s a possibility to test that software like a demo. But for sure, that it will be quite different than rf2, specially under wet conditions.
McLaren simulator is one of the best but none of them are close to the real cars as many professional drivers have said for years.

We need real tests in a real road, with a real car. In 10 years, perhaps hardware can support a complex software and can simulate in real time everything.
 
Ferrari F1 Team switches to driving simulator software from rFpro

Ferrari’s Formula 1 team is now using driving simulation software from specialist software company rFpro that models the world’s Grand Prix circuits with unprecedented levels of realism and response speed. The change was implemented following convincing results during extensive evaluation by Ferrari engineers.

Ferrari’s decision to change operational software, mid-season, underlines the scale of the performance improvement available because simulator downtime in F1 can mean costly interruption to the engineering development schedule. Ferrari already had a well-developed DIL (driver-in-the-loop) software solution in which they had invested significantly over a number of years, but the leap in performance was too great to ignore. “The trial of rFpro was so promising that we immediately put it to use in production-intent applications within our F1 team,” explained Ferrari’s Giacomo Tortora, responsible for Vehicle Dynamics.

To be fully effective as an engineering development tool for supplementing the limited track testing permitted in F1, simulation software must reproduce the track surface in minute detail and respond to dynamic inputs faster than the driver can detect. TerrainServer from rFpro is the first simulation package to fully satisfy both these requirements, and was selected after an exhaustive evaluation process.

"I think Ferrari’s tests are the most demanding faced by any vendor. We tested video bandwidth and latency, road surface data quality and visual accuracy for the digital circuit models,” said Tortora.

"It is important that the circuit model captures the road surface accurately, but also that it can be validated to ensure that our vehicle model is running on the same road surface as the real car,” he continued. "The way in which TerrainServer captures every LiDAR scanned data-point within the tyre contact patch, and integrates them all to provide our vehicle model with accurate road input, improves correlation with our measured data and also feels more realistic for the driver.”

To ensure the necessary level of track surface detail, rFpro uses LiDAR scanned data, reproducing surface features in 3D with an accuracy better than 1mm in Z (height) and 1cm in X and Y (position), representing a ten-fold improvement over the resolution previously available. In addition to its existing library of circuit data, rFpro can provide customers with turn-key solutions for scanning, modelling and providing high definition LiDAR data for other tracks, or even public road test routes.

Ferrari was equally demanding of the response speed, or latency, of the system, according to Tortora. "Video bandwidth is very important to us because we run multi-channel stereo projection and also wanted the fastest possible refresh rate,” he said. “rFpro are able to deliver the maximum video bandwidth, in stereo, at very high refresh rates with just a single frame of latency between our vehicle model and the projectors. This is the fastest solution on the market: video bandwidth is probably an order of magnitude greater than a traditional OpenGL based solution."

With most of the top F1 teams now using rFpro’s software, the company is turning its attention to the mainstream automotive industry, where the potential applications are even greater. The ability to simulate a vehicle’s dynamic behaviour accurately, with a driver in the loop, makes it feasible to assess extreme situations such as those encountered when testing ADAS systems, ESP and other control systems designed to affect the dynamic behaviour of the vehicle.
source --> http://www.autocarpro.in/news-international/ferrari-f1-team-switches-driving-simulator-software-rfpro-6554


Ferrari is in the driving simulator at the factory in Maranello for quite some time to load new software . The system of the British company rFpro , which " sets new standards of realism and responsiveness " is in the words of the manufacturer , convinced the Ferrari engineers .

" We have the video bandwidth and latency , the data quality of the road surface as well as the accuracy of the racetrack models tested ," says Giacomo Tortora , in the Formula 1 team engineer responsible for the vehicle dynamics . " The test of rFpro was so promising that we have used it immediately in the production-related applications of the Formula 1 team," said Tortora


Maybe Ferrari got fed up with Kunos and wanted something a bit more sophisticated in the physics department, who knows. All I know is that it was pretty much widespread across the F1 paddock that Ferrari had one of the weakest simulators in all of Formula 1; that has obviously changed now and it's so cool to see Ferrari going with rFactor Pro.
 
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