Nordschleife

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  1. woochoo

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    Live news: they're delaying the VLN race because of light snow right now :p
    edit: they're now racing in light snow
    edit2: they're red flagging in settling snow
     
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    I've always wondered - - if a track is salted to prevent ice -- could a race still continue in light or moderate snow? I wonder if snow on the ground in runoff areas would help slow the cars like gravel does.
     
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    No it would not. Unless it was deep layer of right humidity snow. Also salt is terrible thing. It destroys roads and makes serious harm for car materials. It should only be used for extreme cases, and people should actually evolve one step higher and learn to adjust to such cchanges, so salt wouldn't be needed for little snow, except perhaps bridges and such places that get unexpectedly early ice ...

    Watching this made me wonder why circuit racing is only warm temperatures thing.

    Why there isn't low glass transition point tires, and also narrower width as option. Of course I understand that visibility is a major concern too. But the main thing is grip anyways. So why there aren't optional tires for very low temperatures and better suited for less casual amounts of water. Just make a pit stop, put on actual winter racing tire (which never was) and continue.

    Honestly to me this look like not only bad weather, but also bad form of racing nowadays, where cars has become such that they are only suitable for optimum conditions. Formula 1 is the complete worst for that matter.
     
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    wet snow on the grassy areas would be like an Ice Rink.
     
  5. boblevieux

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    Winter tires would melt within seconds of running on dry corners.
     
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    Well they don't need normal passenger car street winter tires, if aiming at temperatures just around 0 degrees of Celsius. Not -10 or -20. Anyway, that would be good challenge for tire engineers to make a tire that would grip well at around 0 on wet and dry too. Finally it is also down to your driving craft, just go slower if you start slipping too much. Classic tires from pre-downforce era were very universal. Now you have: Ultrasoft - SuperSoft - VerySoft - Soft - Stillsoft - Soft medium - medium - Hard medium - A little bit harder than previus one - Hard - Very hard - Incredibly hard - Diamond hard to race on lava..... And then you have: Intermediate for little bit damp - Wet for few rain drops - and finally there is a red flag... So you have every choice imaginable for good conditions, few choices for worse conditions and nothing for bad conditions. The motorports ignores very bad conditions, while it would be perhaps the most practical for the world if some great inovations would be made there. Perhaps someone would manage to invent studs that would survive races and wouldn't do harm for tarmac, and stuff like that....

    Now getting a bit deeper into this, I wonder how on earth there has never been racing series that would race specifically in cold weather. Thats simply area that was completely ignored in the motorsports, apart from rally which goes through everything. Racing tracks are forever freezed and almost unused not generating any profits through cold time of the year. On the one hand I understand there would be less attendance, but on the other hand a lot of people comes to watch winter rally events.

    So I am just wondering how does Circuit racing only exists at something like +5C and above, and nowadays got even more sensitive to rain, despite being much safer than in the past. Nordschleife being so huge is especially holding big chances at getting covered with big rain at some part of it. There is such a gamma of tires and compounds, but bad conditions feels unexplored and ignored and unprepared in racing.

    I'd love to see Formula E racing in the snow some day or during very heavy rain and not being red flagged because they would be prepared for it lol
     
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  7. boblevieux

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    Have you tried racing in those conditions ? That's really not fun to race under a storm behind someone, and it's even worst without wipers.
     
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    I am not even talking about fun, but about practical meaning of it. Also it is definitely interesting to spectate.

    I am actualyl quite a fan of rain in simulation, and I know that for many simracers it is out of comfort-fun zone... but RL racing is not only about a fun, it is a job also. At the end of the day it is fun when you get it right.

    Wouldn't even consider a car to be racing in wet without Wipers and good windshield defog system. Open seaters are ofcourse unfortunate for not having a windshield in the first place.
     
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    Racing in the Rain is probably the most fun i've had. I remember the best GTR2 league races I've had, all had unexpected rain and made things interesting.
     
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    That would be an awesome new feature to release with the track. Random weather and fog in different parts of the track. Is it doable?
     
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    I would imagine some sort of virtual random size rainfall cylinder, with particular level of rain intensity traveling around the grid containing rain animation triggering and giving information to real road much like as tire going over it. Easy to imagine anything, but the bugs would probably be unimaginable and the whole coding job to realize it lol

    Interesting to think that rF2 has this awesome feature when cars that are not very far away (for example in mores) would create a spray cloud while driving on the straight, which would make some effect on your windscreen rain animations.
     
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    well, objects overhanging the road seem to stop wet buildup on the road, and no rain zones are a thing. So at worst it might be possible to hack something together, but __*weather*__ it works well or not is not clear at this time
     
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    Single player is usually "easy" but for it to sync up in MP might be Another beast. Would be cool feature though. Imagine the foresty parts being in fog while the open areas are not. Plus wetness lying still in lower areas with shadows and forest around them. Awesome stuff.
     
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    Now that you say it like that I'm thinking it would too much for the software but I'm not a programmer. But, oh boy, that would be a big added feature never done before I believe? Unless Project Cars 2 has that?
     
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    Yes.... online. Online and AI basically.

    But thats some nice little dreaming indeed. :D I would imagine scripted fog would not be insane. But shadows affecting drying would be insane.

    Thats why programmers are at the top of all this haha Their tasks are incredible.

    Wow, totally forgot that. Exactly thats almost the same, just inverted. Cars also has no rain zones, and if you leave a car at one place, you see the proof. And car is a moving object... Now I am simply curious if very large dynamic slowly moving object with rendering and collisions off would work for this.
     
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    Is possible to have moving track objects, like ferris wheels, cars, trucks etc, so i guess is possible to have a moving no rain zones as well (?). Let's say there are some no rain zones which moves around the map and sometimes collides themselves creating different and largest shapes. The question is: is possible to make them move on a random path? I doubt
     
  17. woochoo

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    The weather probably moves in one general direction for most of the time, so combining two groups of no rain zones moving at slightly different speeds and in slightly different directions, overlapping, might give a sufficiently random impression to someone trying to not crash on a wet nords :D Blending that in and out of the rest of the weather system might be trivial or impossible?

    If there is an intent to hook rF2 up to real weather the folks at 397 might have a more complex idea in mind
     
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    It wouldnt be the shadows doing anything but act as a marker OR what about some areas are known to dry slower after rain so its preprogrammed to behave that way on that track? If fog can also be in different places then bob's yer uncle! :D
     
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    Hi guys.

    Can you remind me for what period is the Nords expected ?

    It was scheduled for Q1, but was delayed.

    Can you tell me when can we hope to have it ?

    End Q2 ?
    Any information ?

    Thank you !
     
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    There was no such information. I don't think that there is any chance for Q2.

    It is probably hard to predict development time for such magnitude of work needed, especially if there could potentially be the need to do polishing and improvements during the finishing stages, which may be very hard to predict what it would be and how long it will take.

    I remember Simone from AC saying that it was insane job to do Nordschleife, and rF2 is more demanding to work with also has much more features.
     
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