Luis Armstrong
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[REL] Dallas Karting Complex 1.0
- Thread starter PlickBadger
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Yup, bumps, undulations, uneveness in the road, cracks, different road surfaces, road camber, negative road camber, etc. etc. can really affect driving, car handling, car setup, driving technique, driving lines, and just overall character and fun-factor.
The bumps/road surface irregularities COMPLETELY transform the final chicane on the ISI Quebec kart tracks. You really have to mentally prepare your line, technique, etc. when going through that corner because you are partly compensating due to the bumps. It really is an event going through there, and massive time can be gained or lost there due to a few different reasons which all stem from the bumps.
That entire turn, from start to end (including the fact that the exit is a battle between the exit itself and the brake point/entry to left hander which leads to a straight) is already a legendary corner in the sim-racing world in my opinion.
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John.Persson
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Can you talk about the changes to the track surface?
Very nice subtle wacky waving btw.
Those ATVs just look too big and wrong proportions to be honest.
Can we get a circling blimp with camera? Would be fun with overview cam on kart tracks.
Very nice subtle wacky waving btw.
Those ATVs just look too big and wrong proportions to be honest.
Can we get a circling blimp with camera? Would be fun with overview cam on kart tracks.
PlickBadger
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bumps were added
thanks
ATVs were measured using cornerworkers - they are close
no - I don't have time for more updates to this track
John.Persson
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bumps were added
thanks
ATVs were measured using cornerworkers - they are close
no - I don't have time for more updates to this track
Maybe my fov and that im litterally sitting on the track that makes it a bit of for me regarding the ATVs.
Well, thank you for getting us this track so quickly! Much appreciated!
Adrianstealth
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hiya,
just tried new version but decided to go back to old version, I'm not feeling anything in the track surface but some horrible sharp (like some things hitting my steering wheel) forces in the ffb
I run motion with sim vibe etc -this picks up the ISI surfaces very nicely along with very very subtle (minimal) ffb effect
thanks for giving it a try anyhow
just tried new version but decided to go back to old version, I'm not feeling anything in the track surface but some horrible sharp (like some things hitting my steering wheel) forces in the ffb
I run motion with sim vibe etc -this picks up the ISI surfaces very nicely along with very very subtle (minimal) ffb effect
thanks for giving it a try anyhow
PlickBadger
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What I could do is a version 1.2 with and without the bumps as layout choices
Adrianstealth
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fantastic, thanks for being very helpful, I think bumps are fine etc but much less than the updated version maybe only 25% of what they were then im sure that will be somewhere near more natural feeling
Marc Collins
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Before PickBadger spends more of his valuable time changing or repackaging, can we get some more feedback on whether the new bumps are realistic or not? Sorry, I can't test myself this week, but no point in making them a layout choice if they aren't realistic.
PlickBadger
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Yes it would be great if we could get a consensus. Are the bumps good, but just need to be toned down or should there be 2 options with and without. Thanks for all the feedback
YoLolo69
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I just tested v1.1. Note I didn't test v1.0: I agree than bumps are kind of violent on my wheel (T500RS). It don't feel as "strong" elevation, but small sharped ones. That's too much to my taste. That's just my opinion. I can also raise the FFB filter (set usually to 0 for all other tracks)...
Edit: and BTW, taking those too strong bumps apart (toned down will be my vote): thanks for this new track kart, I really love it, really great work
Edit: and BTW, taking those too strong bumps apart (toned down will be my vote): thanks for this new track kart, I really love it, really great work
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PlickBadger
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Ok, so here's my plan. I'd like for you guys to test some bump levels for me. I'll create 3 bump reduction patches to install on top of 1.1f
The first will be the bumps at 95%, then 90% and finally 85%. Which ever one is seems best will then get used in version 1.2. Seem reasonable?
The first will be the bumps at 95%, then 90% and finally 85%. Which ever one is seems best will then get used in version 1.2. Seem reasonable?
Denstjiro
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Very
I've never tested bumps etc so I might be a bit off but it seemed to me the bumps only effected the wheel but not the kart. they don't seem to influence the kart movement much or at all. like the surface is still flat but it just gives a jank on the ffb.
One thing I just noticed which is minor imo, when going offtrack and re-joining, if you re-join over one of the flat curbs you either get stuck (low speed) or are lifted up as if was a ramp (higher speeds)
The higher curbs don't seem to have this issue.
PlickBadger
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Very
One thing I just noticed which is minor imo, when going offtrack and re-joining, if you re-join over one of the flat curbs you either get stuck (low speed) or are lifted up as if was a ramp (higher speeds)
The higher curbs don't seem to have this issue.
This is due to the physical geometry of the curbing mesh. I've tried to lower the back side of them quite a bit, but the karts are so low to the ground
Denstjiro
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Implying I know what that means
But I trust your observations onnit and its not a dealbreaker anyways. in fact, it would force people not to go off-track too much which is only a good thing no?
Adrianstealth
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yes that's a point, the motion on my rig is sensitive yet didn't react to the sharp bumps
( very apparent through the wheel )
anyway, I'd happily test each version of the tracks,
I think track texture & surface irregularities would be a lot more work ( cambers / subtle lumps etc ) maybe even redoing
the track all together ( track mesh is it called ? )
I still thank you for sharing this track though plickbadger by no means am I saying I dislike it , quite the opposite in fact
( very apparent through the wheel )
anyway, I'd happily test each version of the tracks,
I think track texture & surface irregularities would be a lot more work ( cambers / subtle lumps etc ) maybe even redoing
the track all together ( track mesh is it called ? )
I still thank you for sharing this track though plickbadger by no means am I saying I dislike it , quite the opposite in fact
YoLolo69
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I agree and I'll be happy to test this!
BTW I see you're using a G25 PlickBadger. Do you have a filter FFB value in control settings? When I had my G25 before the T500RS I had to use a value to avoid rattling, it was something like 6 or 8 can't remember, and I know now with my 0 value and T500RS that I was missing lot of information from track bumps with G25. I'm asking this as your feeling on those bumps may differs from us if you use a filter value and also simply because G25 versus other brands I guess...
In any case, the more I drive this track and the more I like it, thanks again
Edit: forget to say: my buttkicker received also the "hard" chock of those bumps through SimVibe.
PlickBadger
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I'm uploading testing patches now. I'll only give out these patch links via PM to keep things from getting messy.
In order to test, you'll have to have 1.1f installed and only have 1 patch in your packages directory at a time. They will be named
1.1f_85, 1.1f_90. 1.1f_95 - the number corresponds to essentially to the height of the bump mesh. - 85 being 85% of the the original bump height.
Here's who I have volunteered to test so far
YoLolo69
Denstjiro
Adrianstealth
Anyone else?
In order to test, you'll have to have 1.1f installed and only have 1 patch in your packages directory at a time. They will be named
1.1f_85, 1.1f_90. 1.1f_95 - the number corresponds to essentially to the height of the bump mesh. - 85 being 85% of the the original bump height.
Here's who I have volunteered to test so far
YoLolo69
Denstjiro
Adrianstealth
Anyone else?