ASR Modding F1 1992 mod

Sergitroon said:
What is the difference between OWC1991 and OWC 1992? those of 1991 are free, and those of 1992 are paid
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ASR publishes their cars for free when they are ready/finished, leaving some minor things as a final DLC (like for instance one off rides by famous drivers, like for instance Schumi drove 2 cars (Jordan & Benetton) and for free you only get one of them (Benetton).
People can, however, pay to drive them during the cars' development, ie. when they are beta.
This is a way to support ASR's activities as you can imagine, modeling those cars to the level which ASR does involves thousands of hours of work for each racing season.
 
They are on the forgiving side, but "not good" is a wrong assessment.
To extract laptimes consistent with reality you need to push the cars to levels which, personally, I cannot achieve.
But I believe that there should be the need for more throttle modulation and less stability in slow corners when downforce is not helping grip.
 
Vava, could you give me a broader report of what you have to say about the physics of the 1991 and 1992 ASR cars? I have been helping ASR with the physics of these cars.
 
Caio Fonseca said:
Vava, could you give me a broader report of what you have to say about the physics of the 1991 and 1992 ASR cars? I have been helping ASR with the physics of these cars.
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First of all, my opinions are... opinions and relate to 1991. Also, I am neither a good, nor a knowledgeable driver, but, nonetheless, I have a fairly decent ability to take a "snap shot", so basically I can't say much beyond what I mentioned above: it's a general impression and I cannot issue any opinion on more detailed stuff such as if setup changes produce believable results, and that impression is formed based on logic, historical "knowledge" as a spectator with a clinical eye (having watched all the GPs of that era as well as some of the qualifying and practice).
So, my personal belief is that these cars were more unforgiving under throttle. You can check on boards and, coming out of turns, maximum throttle is only reached after a very careful and progressive squeeze of the pedal. In some cases, I believe, taking a more than a second.
This is specially true coming out of slow corners, where the aero should not be producing downforce due to the lack of speed.

PS: not exactly related to physics, but if you could internally push for a bit less movement on the head physics, I would appreciate it :-D
 
Sergitroon said:
so if it is recommended?
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Drive the free ones which are on the Steam Workshop and if you like them and would like to help ASM, you can always donate to obtain access to one or all of the 1992 Beta versions (there are also other cars, from other years).
 
vava74 said:
First of all, my opinions are... opinions and relate to 1991. Also, I am neither a good, nor a knowledgeable driver, but, nonetheless, I have a fairly decent ability to take a "snap shot", so basically I can't say much beyond what I mentioned above: it's a general impression and I cannot issue any opinion on more detailed stuff such as if setup changes produce believable results, and that impression is formed based on logic, historical "knowledge" as a spectator with a clinical eye (having watched all the GPs of that era as well as some of the qualifying and practice).
So, my personal belief is that these cars were more unforgiving under throttle. You can check on boards and, coming out of turns, maximum throttle is only reached after a very careful and progressive squeeze of the pedal. In some cases, I believe, taking a more than a second.
This is specially true coming out of slow corners, where the aero should not be producing downforce due to the lack of speed.

PS: not exactly related to physics, but if you could internally push for a bit less movement on the head physics, I would appreciate it :-D
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@Caio Fonseca this is exactly my opinion, despite i've never driven such Formula1 car i also have "clinical eye" like Vava. It's clear that those cars are on the forgiving side, probably the problem is what we'll test in next weeks ;)

Side Note: I remember an F1 1992 mod, years ago, made by ASR too, that was much challenging to drive and the cars had that behaviour Vava is talking about..
 
Rui Santos said:
@Caio Fonseca this is exactly my opinion, despite i've never driven such Formula1 car i also have "clinical eye" like Vava. It's clear that those cars are on the forgiving side, probably the problem is what we'll test in next weeks ;)

Side Note: I remember an F1 1992 mod, years ago, made by ASR too, that was much challenging to drive and the cars had that behaviour Vava is talking about..
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Probably the non-authorised conversion of the ASR 1992...
Personally I believe that there is no harm in having an "approachable" version of the mod, more adequate for a "relaxed league" use, and then a more hardcore variation.
 
Also i found another problem with the 1991 cars and the ASR ONE car, the tires overheat/increase temperature even on straights, which is wrong as its obvious, but i'm working on that with @Caio Fonseca...
 
I would basically say, less grip overall, increased damage (cars too strong) and add things cockpit adjustable rollbars/fuel map/engine braking.:):):)

And whatever it takes to make the sparks a little less crazy :):):)
 
vava74 said:
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So, my personal belief is that these cars were more unforgiving under throttle. You can check on boards and, coming out of turns, maximum throttle is only reached after a very careful and progressive squeeze of the pedal. In some cases, I believe, taking a more than a second.
This is specially true coming out of slow corners, where the aero should not be producing downforce due to the lack of speed.

PS: not exactly related to physics, but if you could internally push for a bit less movement on the head physics, I would appreciate it :-D
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I am not sure but I think TC was introduced a couple of years later and wasn't it Irvine who complained about it because you just need to push it on the wheel while entering a corner and you have to release it on the apex of the curve?

I am just an average driver, too, I would say - but I started with Grand Prix 2 (1992 era, right?) and it was hell without traction control driving aid ;-)

I think I will try the 1991 mod today :-)
 
StoneRacing said:
I am not sure but I think TC was introduced a couple of years later and wasn't it Irvine who complained about it because you just need to push it on the wheel while entering a corner and you have to release it on the apex of the curve?

I am just an average driver, too, I would say - but I started with Grand Prix 2 (1992 era, right?) and it was hell without traction control driving aid ;-)

I think I will try the 1991 mod today :)
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TC is another story, those cars are made without aids, that's why they should be more challenging on the throttle than they are right now..

What i mean is that if the car is too twitchy to drive without aids (despite possible), it might be optional in some leagues that you can use TC on low for example for those less talented drivers...
 
TC in real-life F1? 1990-1993 plus 2001-2007 legally (plus pre 2001 illegally). Not fun to drive with it.

(1990 Estoril was the first time the ferrari cars raced with it)
 
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Personally I believe that the introduction of Traction Control did not imply that there was no need for throttle modulation: onboards seem to indicate different levels of throttle input used depending on circumstances and I don't get the feeling that there is an electronic "fire and forget" traction cut.
You also see plenty of spins out of corners, when drivers were too eager to get back into throttle.
I do notice a relatively low level of "lift and coast" (as opposed to what you witness today in Indycars, as an example) so no doubt that there was an added ability to be more aggressive.
Again: I "work" based on feel and logic associated with what I witnessed back then and what we can still watch on YT videos.
Also, a minor adjustment on the mod's parameters could make a huge difference on the end result.
 
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