A few changes, including refund policy

GTClub_wajdi said:
I know that ISI will continue to support rF2, even after it goes gold and I have faith in you, but that is me! not sure about the others!
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Well, either way, it makes absolutely no difference really. ;) I am probably getting more inclined to try to market the product, now that a few of the really annoying issues are gone.
 
Tim Wheatley said:
Well, either way, it makes absolutely no difference really. ;) I am probably getting more inclined to try to market the product, now that a few of the really annoying issues are gone.
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And I think, with the last build, that someone coming in fresh could probably understand it better if we changed how we talk about things. It frankly didn't do the last company I worked for any long-term harm by releasing openly, and updating long-term, which is what we want to do anyway. That's why with the 30 days there now is for the refund, it makes people make a judgement on the product now, rather than the future, and it might actually take away a bit of the issues people have with ISI not going quick enough for them. Just thinking aloud, but that's what I'm thinking.
 
After one year of tests the number of posts with bugs and wish lists has been falling with successive betas... Its time of first final release? :D
 
Looking forward to news of Gold as many others are too, though maybe not til the end of 2013.. Still, enjoying it as it develops. Updates look good Tim
 
Tim Wheatley said:
The last company I worked for had pretty much that same list, and still has quite a few of them, being behind rF2 IMHO in quite a few areas even now. Maybe my perspective is different to yours on what this is. I think a little advice would be to lighten up, frankly.
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Tim Wheatley said:
No, his list isn't accurate at all. But I'm not sure what difference moving the forum around and changing the purchase place to the Web site is really having on you folks, either...
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For me the list given by GTClub_wajdi here is accurate, and ISI for rF1 released a finished or very mature game. At this time if you consider the rF2 Beta in the state we have with the build 134, you go to suicide !!!

I hope your are joking, and if the list given by GTClub_wajdi is not fixed before Gold (and testable as finished through the beta), I think you will have refund request or very aggressive behaviour against ISI from many Beta tester of rF2.

So please, don't destroy the confidence we have on ISI devellopment habits taken in rF1 to release a Beta as Gold (that is what we have at this time, a beta, far far away to be gold). Or you have internal build that cover what we don't have in our 134 build.

Please say me you are joking !!!
 
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tjc said:
I kinda quite like the sound of Bronze as it indicates that much progress has been made but much more is to come. ;)
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Good way to look at it :) I think we are coming up to the 1 year anniversary of the beta release too, boy dose time fly.
 
Tim Wheatley said:
No, his list isn't accurate at all. But I'm not sure what difference moving the forum around and changing the purchase place to the Web site is really having on you folks, either...
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You stirred the beehive, sleepy simracers saw something move and jumped on it in hopes of getting a free dinnertime entertainment.

Also the folks that down play ISI accomplishments and rF2 features, saying its behind schedule or that its far from finished, we are not even close to gold, are only saying crap to keep them selves from getting hurt feelings when their hopes and dreams arent quite ready to come true.
In psychology its called dysappointment, in forums they are known "Forum Warriors".
"If instead of handling it with poise and aplomb, you become upset and strike out at others or yourself, disappointment turns into dysappointment, where you experience pain and hurt over the disappointment."
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/just-listen/201204/disappointment-vs-dysappointment

As you were. :p
 
MaD_King said:
For me the list given by GTClub_wajdi here is accurate, and ISI for rF1 released a finished or very mature game. At this time if you consider the rF2 Beta in the state we have with the build 134, you go to suicide !!!

I hope your are joking, and if the list given by GTClub_wajdi is not fixed before Gold (and testable as finished through the beta), I think you will have refund request or very aggressive behaviour against ISI from many Beta tester of rF2.

So please, don't destroy the confidence we have on ISI devellopment habits taken in rF1 to release a Beta as Gold (that is what we have at this time, a beta, far far away to be gold). Or you have internal build that cover what we don't have in our 134 build.

Please say me you are joking !!!
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Everyone, please stop using the term "BETA". We are all playing an ALPHA version.

"Beta is feature and asset complete version of the game, when only bugs are being fixed.[137][138] This version contains no bugs that prevent the game from being shippable.[137] No changes are made to the game features, assets, or code. Beta occurs two to three months before code release.[138]"
 
spider19462000 said:
Tim, a quick question,,if ISI are not using the term beta anymore,what is the sim classified as:)
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rFactor2... I guess? That's what I'll be calling it. This is rF2 now, in 6 months it'll be rF2 in 6 months, in 5 years it'll be rF2 in 5 years. :) If you want something to compare to, well, think of most MMOs. It's an ongoing evolutionary process. We certainly aren't where we wanted to be at this point, but we are where we are. It's time to try something different.
 
Tim Wheatley said:
How is "no support" for something accurate when it's working for many, many people, exactly? No support would mean, well... No support.
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Ok, I missed no support, so if we remove the no support from the list, the other point for me are far to be finished. Are you agree with that? Because your answer is not clear!!!

So I rephrase my question: Is ISI considering build 134 enough mature to be gold?
 
MaD_King said:
don't destroy the confidence we have on ISI devellopment habits taken in rF1 to release a Beta as Gold (that is what we have at this time, a beta, far far away to be gold).
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There is ZERO difference to what you're worried about, and what has been here for a year. We haven't started shipping DVDs. Calm down... lol
 
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