Information regarding rFactor 2 Steam (FAQ)

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  1. GCCRacer

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    For the second question, I'm not sure if the earlier posted Non-Steam ToS aren't refering to the matchmaker and online part of the game as "Service". The game would likely be called "Product".

    As for the first I think I can answer: Steam is a bigger security risk than a launcher because it has a constant connection to a central host, which can order it to update itself/change files on the client machine pretty much at will. The RF2 launcher is a momentary activation software, writes a license file to the computer and then doesn't talk with some central host all the time.

    Wiggins, you simply can't deny the fact that there's a world of difference in user perception between having an annoying client always running in the background (a client which caused me personally lots of trouble) and having a one-time activation based on an email and purchase code. One is the big nanny checking everytime you want to play what you paid for, the other leaves you alone even if you reinstall everything on the same hardware (just backup the license file first). To force-swap one for the other is simple bad communication/planning.

    Steam is like Apple to me. For 80% of the users who want to customize their games 20%, it works perfectly. If you step outside those 20% expected customization however you're up against some very steep walls, because suddenly things that should be easy to do with digital files on your own hardware become incredible convoluted. For sure for the 80% of people who don't know how to properly backup their data, reinstall/repair their games etc. it is very helpful. For the 20% who want to go further it is the devil.

    Irony being that pirated games which where originally on Steam are just as easy to manage, or even easier, than the RF2 Launcher. Single setup.exe, single data archive, installs directly to a folder of your choice, no client needs to be running, no undead auto-updating that keeps coming back, none of the surveilance that Steam does to it's users. I'll openly admit here that I bought Assetto Corsa for full price... but I run it off the files from some nice russian guy who untied it from Steam, and I'm very happy with that experience. It may be against the ToS (which in turn may anyway be against EU Customer Law) but for sure I don't feel morally wrong for taking back control over what happens on my game installations.
     
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    On the steam version of the game is it possible to have packages folder on a network drive? My game machine only has one ssd and I keep the packages on another machine.
    Thanks.
     
  4. Christopher Elliott

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    As a reminder, talk of piracy on here, will result in a forum ban.
     
  5. Christopher Elliott

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    I haven't tried it, but I can imagine that would work fine, provided your network drive is setup right.
     
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    I`m using a symbolic link (DirLinker) and its working without problems.
     
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    @GCCRacer - Well put (just saw that your post was removed).

    @Wiggin

    Well, yes, there are security concerns/risks with the launcher if using multi-player (outdated/insecure compiled-in libraries, d/ls, etc.), but the license check/news when launching off-line can be easily monitored, captured and secured against data leaks and spurious connections (e.g. pentest tools, Wireshark, MS Message Analyzer, egress filtering).

    Steam, however, opens up a whole new can of attack vectors that isn't acceptable or permissible in my situation. It's an "always on" connection to a 3P host that can push/pull data and modify the filesystem. The attack surface is much larger and more likely to attract the attention of those who would do harm. You now have to deal with ISI (who I trust) and a 3rd party intermediary Steam (who I don't trust).

    On a personal note, I don't approve of Steam DRM methodology either. It's much more invasive and insulting - I am not a thief.

    Again, I am not faulting ISI for changing their business model - it's their IP after all and they have to work within the constraints of limited resources. However, I am of the opinion that the shift from a product license to a service model could have been handled better. This hit me totally by surprise and I am disappointed.
     
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    I am not a lawyer, but the fact that ISI forces its existing customers to move to steam should not be acceptable.

    Joining steam forces the customer to accept additional terms of use to the original ones that were accepted when buying the product.

    That by itself should be IMO a contractual non compliance from ISI's side which should make elligible for refund to whoever that asked for it. The guy who cannot accept steam's Terms of Use due its professional status is a clear example of my point.

    As I said I am not a lawyer and probably if ISI has made the move is because it is legal to force a customer to get involved with 3rd party that was not present in the original contract.

    However, I would appreciate if someone who knows Law better than me could clarify if it is legal to drop updates for non steam users.

    What happens if for example one day steam starts charging for their services?

    I will personally use the non steam version of rF2 until it is completely necessary. Just in case they change their minds.


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    Um... ok, I know no one reads agreements, but seriously...
     
  10. GCCRacer

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    No one reads them because they wouldn't hold up in front of most European courts. However, since most companies including Valve have a much bigger legal team than your average customer, they remain.

    It is high time the EU raises it's efforts to define quality and ownership of software products - I'm not aware of any other business where you can one-sided change the contract, force additional conditions on a customer, offer no refund doing so, and even retain the right to chancel a paid-for purchase at any time for no reason. That's why these days I only buy from the "good guys" (for example GOG.com) but ISI has obviously put their lot in with a company which I don't consider the good guys...
     
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    You don't own the software.
     
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    You're about 7 years to late. We as consumers never fought for our rights when companies started this type of behavior and now it's just the reality of video games. Same thing for DLC. I mean it would be nice if all countries had updated laws regarding software ownership but at the end of the day those that care and those that don't are vastly outnumbered. I would like to own my own software and I 100% agree with you but realistically it's not really an issues to 90% of people.
     
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    You are not forced to move anywhere, rF2 continues to work perfectly fine on non-Steam (without new patches being released). Just like you can still use rF1 today or Win XP for that matter, with certain precautions about security. ISI is not obliged to provide patches infinitely for their product anyway, they could stop delivering updates today also for Steam version if they so wished. In fact rF2 already received way more updates than rF1 ever did, rF1 updates stopped 3 years post beta release.

    It's probably not so much about what ISI wish to do in their hearts, but about pure business. Kunos has said somewhere that AC would have nowhere the success of today without Steam. I couldn't find any useful racing sims on GOG.com, so how are any potential customers expected to be looking there?
     
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    Explain me the point of paying for lifetime online access and not being able to join servers because they are in higher builds.

    If that is not forcing to move to steam it is pushing quite hard DONT YOU THINK MR?

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    Last I looked on Steam or similar services there wasn't a big button saying "Rent" or "Acquire Limited Licence with Restrictive EULA", because no-one would cop it. Companies rely on the implication of ownership to get a customer to click on a "Buy" button - it's pretty disingenuous to turn around after someone has clicked that button and reference the fine print in a EULA or TOS which states that the product they just paid full price for is in fact not theirs and they can have their usage revoked without refund entirely at the discretion of the provider.

    That fact that this is the new normal doesn't make it any less egregious, but the combined legal firepower and financial leverage of the software industry means you're tilting at windmills trying to question it.
     
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    Question.. How do you go about getting trackmap across to steam version and working please ?
     
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    You'll find exactly the same file structure under Steam:steamapps:common:rf2 as before
     
  18. Christopher Elliott

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    Yes and just to add to that, I've run Trackmap in my Steam install from the start, works exactly the same.
     
  19. Christopher Elliott

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    You need to please calm down now, thank you.
     
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    I installed RF2 on my laptop last night, whilst unsubscribing from all workshop items it occurred to me will this mean my main pc will be unsubscribed from all items too? Or are they kept separate? (Can't check until later)

    Before you ask, main pc for everything and racing, laptop for modding so I only need the bare essentials! Thanks
     
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