Apex Modding GT3 - 2012 (v1.09 )

Brack Jabham said:
Anyways, to Led556's reply above, you can PM me if you'd like because I definitely do have an answer but no more in this thread please.
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Can you post it to the Main Forum please, no need to keep it secret ;) I'm sure ISI would like to see your hard facts and hard data to support your claims, many thanks :)
 
MarcG said:
Can you post it to the Main Forum please, no need to keep it secret ;) I'm sure ISI would like to see your hard facts and hard data to support your claims, many thanks :)
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But please, not in the general section...
There is a perfectly good spot for stuff like that here.

It'd be super nice to keep all that speculative second guessing in one single thread, instead of having those walls of text scattered around in unrelated threads.

Now then... back to the topic at hand. :)
 
I've already praised it, but the frame rate with a 30 car mixed field, it's damn impressive.
I couldn't run that with previous versions, had to stick to 2 or 3 different cars.
Now I can battle all those beasts at once, and it looks stunning.
 
Which values do u use for seat position and fov? Because every time I'm turning the steering wheel I got half invisible / cut driver arms.

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hexagramme said:
I've already praised it, but the frame rate with a 30 car mixed field, it's damn impressive.
I couldn't run that with previous versions, had to stick to 2 or 3 different cars.
Now I can battle all those beasts at once, and it looks stunning.
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I have had 44 cars at sebring... I think I had to knock off reflections but it rang damn fine :-)
 
Mikk Quickmikk said:
Hi guys:rolleyes:,

I find myself driving the Z06R day by day since 930' came out.
4 me it feels like a car should feel, every little change in setup is remarkable in the FFB.
So awesome, i didn't go back to my beloved 799 so far.:cool:
Furthermore AI at 112 % is giving back really nice fights so we come close to real races here.
Great fun, not to forget that great looking and frames caused by big Tosch:).

I really doubt upcoming Endu Mod comes close to this great milestone.

Thx a lot, cu on the road, happy Xmas is saved^^

Greetings Mikk:D
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100% true mikk.
The Z06R drives like a dream an responds good to setup changes. :cool:
 
Ernie said:
Could someone give me an advise how to drive these cars fast, but without ruining the front tyres? I had a fun event yesterday at Mosport, and the front tyre wear on every car i tried was much higher than at the rear axle.

For a 30min race i was driving the Z06 (using the default setup with slightly stiffer rear ARB and ABS+TCS on low). I have to admit that during the test my driving style wasn't really careful on the tyres. But even with a lot of oversteer and drifting around corners the rear tyres were fine after 30min, but the front tyres were nearly dead.
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The only car with a well balanced tyre wear is the Camaro , for sure with original physics. You can adjust the Setup with the others Cars, but than you will get an unbalanced driving behaviour. The tyre degradation is much to High imho. I know from a real Gt3 race Driver that they can push the tyres a whole hour without loosing noticable Grip.
 
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Tosch said:
That's interesting. Can you calculate a steering geometry based on some coordinates? I ask because it seems the Z4 has a wrong thrust angle/steering lever. You can hear (and see) the outer tire scrub on the road at low speeds with high steering inputs and the centre force is inverted.
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I have the effect Not only with the Z4, nearly all Cars are showing this behaviour with the inverted centerforce
 
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Andregee said:
The only car with a well balanced tyre wear is the Camaro , for sure without original physics. You can adjust the Setup with the others Cars, but than you will get an unbalanced driving behaviour. The tyre decrease is much to High imho. I know from a real Gt3 race Driver that they can push the tyres a whole hour without loosing noticable Grip.
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+1
 
Andregee said:
The only car with a well balanced tyre wear is the Camaro , for sure with original physics. You can adjust the Setup with the others Cars, but than you will get an unbalanced driving behaviour. The tyre degradation is much to High imho. I know from a real Gt3 race Driver that they can push the tyres a whole hour without loosing noticable Grip.
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All the cars on default set ups have understeer tendencies. This means the fronts will wear first. Its a very common practice for modders.
The reason is that its more "accessible"! in other words easier (cars swapping ends can get frustrating).

You can quickly move the balance to neutral or oversteer using set up options.
This will even out the tyre wear.
For example I ran a 45 min stint at Bathurst in the Porsche. The worst tyre was about 75%.

Dealing with set up and managing tyre wear through set up and through your driving skills is part of the depth and challenge of RF2.
 
davidporeilly said:
You can quickly move the balance to neutral or oversteer using set up options.
This will even out the tyre wear.
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The problem i have with this mod is, that i have to make the setup very very oversteery to get an almost balanced tyre wear (front to rear). I have no problem with an oversteering car, but a car with a balanced tyre wear setup tries to kill me in almost every corner, because of the (necessary) extreme loose rear.
 
Ernie said:
The problem i have with this mod is, that i have to make the setup very very oversteery to get an almost balanced tyre wear (front to rear). I have no problem with an oversteering car, but a car with a balanced tyre wear setup tries to kill me in almost every corner, because of the (necessary) extreme loose rear.
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I think the set up I posted earlier in this thread had pretty even tyre wear at Spa.
It does depend on the track. For example I am doing a lot of laps at Bathurst trying to get a good set for the NEO BR 12 hours on 23rd Jan. Because of the extremely tricky steep tight and undulating downhill section where (in the 911) the rear tries overtake you, you have to have quite a bit of understeer built in. In a 6 lap run with tyre wear X2 I am getting FL 77 FR 63....RL 85 RR 81. The FR issue it seems from Motec is 5o% due to locking up under brakes. But yes far from even. I need to try to get 30 laps from a set.
I did discover that the cars are very sensitive to rear camber. If its too high the rear is very unstable (loose). Once I sorted that I could move other settings more to oversteer.
Try lowering rear camber.
Also increase Diff pre load.
 
Ernie said:
The problem i have with this mod is, that i have to make the setup very very oversteery to get an almost balanced tyre wear (front to rear). I have no problem with an oversteering car, but a car with a balanced tyre wear setup tries to kill me in almost every corner, because of the (necessary) extreme loose rear.
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Follow David's advice, he knows of what he speaks about.

If your car becomes difficult to drive at equal wear between ends, then change setup slightly to a hint more of understeer and adapt you driving accordingly.
With practice you'll be able to drive setups more and more edgy.

Cheers.
 
The Camaro doesn't Need an adapted driving style or oversteery setup because its based on real data and not on wrong calculated suspension geometry of the other Cars . There are physics issues and you can feel it in the Ffb driving slow with high angle steering. You have to push the Wheel against the the steering angle to caused by the inverted centerforce
 
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