Windows 10 removes runtimes after major updates

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  1. 88mphTim

    88mphTim Staff Member

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    If you are experiencing startup crashes, this is one reason.

    It seems fairly random, but does seem to happen more with the Home than Pro editions... The runtimes rF2 requires are often removed during major Windows 10 updates (and removed every time when upgrading from Windows 7 or 8/.1).

    You can find the runtimes you need to reinstall by navigating to this folder:
    steam\steamapps\common\rFactor 2\_CommonRedist\vcredist

    And yes, you need to reinstall all of them. :)
     
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    By reinstall, you mean run the executables in both subdirectories (4 exe files total)?
     
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  3. 88mphTim

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    Yep
     
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    Hi Tim.

    I don't know, if it's related, but yesterday I had isues with my rF2 installation and it turned out, that the folders (junction points) of my "cache" and "packages" folder had dissappeared ...

    I always had those two linked with a junction point (mklink /j) to one of my HDD RAIDs, for saving precious SSD space and it always worked just fine.

    Consequently, when I checked the local files for errors, it wanted to download some +10GB from Steam.
    I interrupted that download, exited Steam, manually copied back the cache and packages folders from my RAID and restarted Steam.
    After that, everything was back at a normal state, file verification completed without errors and rF2 was running as expected.

    To verify my finding, I deleted the two folders and linked them back again.
    When I started another verification of my local rF2 files, the links links vanished again and the +10GB download started all over.

    This is Win10x64 Pro v1709 (2017 fall creators update).

    Cheers,
    Max
     
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    @Max Dralle I think that's totally unrelated to runtimes, as your symptom is totally different (downloading everything again, instead of crashing). It's a good reason to have some idea what you're doing when you use mklink, so that if this sort of thing happens you know what to check, as you did. I advocated some time ago using mklink, but I hope people understand what it is before they do, so that if/when windows loses the linked folders, they won't blame the game for it.
     
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    In my case Mklink has been removed at least twice by RF2 updates, so I don't know if you can blame Windows either (I suppose RF2 update deleted the whole directory cache before overwriting it).

    So you download many useless GB again, if you have a limited amount of GB / month of download, you are out of luck, it's nobody fault - believe us -, wait till next month before playing again.

    Cheers.
     
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    Thanx for your feedback, guys.

    It's just that it never happened before this fall's Creators Update, so I thought, there might be a relation.

    Only on 2nd sight, I noticed, that Tim probably meant the installation state of those run times, not the installation files themselves being removed.

    @Tim
    Should I open up a separate topic on my issue about vanishing junctions ?
    Lgel seems to have seen rF2 updates being the reason for this.

    Cheers!
    Max
     
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    Well it's to do with a directory being removed prior to rewriting, I'm not sure they will want to do it a different way than that. A new thread would probably be useful though so it can be reported and see if we can do it a way that doesn't remove the directory you're using.
     
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    It was already reported in January of this year in Tech Support, so no need to create a new thread.
    https://forum.studio-397.com/index.php?threads/amount-of-space-on-ssd-hdd.54170/#post-875475
    No one replied and problem still there.
    Cheers.
     
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    Thanx, Guys.

    I'll re-post in that thread.
     
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    @88mphTim : Hello,
    - I found the 4 vcredist files in Rfactor2 folder\Support\Runtimes ( VC++2012 x64 / x86 / 2013 x64 / 2013 x86 )
    - I ddnt find the _CommonRedist subfolder folder .... and not vcredist subfolder too ...
    anyway I run the 4 files .... No success, always crash in x64 (OK in x32 ) even if my config is full x64 and verified.

    > was it your indicated files ?

    > Whats happening with my W10 ?
    please can you check here my thread ... : https://forum.studio-397.com/index....ced32b-but-im-on-w10-64b-i5proc-is-x64.63046/

    thnaks for your feedback & support,
    Im really lost .... ;)
     
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    @All : I re-installed W10 w/o removing persos files ... AND SUCCESS !!!!!

    now RF2, AC are running in 64b

    thanks for your support
     
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    Hi Tim, I don't see that folder, what do I do?
     
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    Check this folder: ..\Steam\steamapps\common\rFactor 2\Support\Runtimes
     
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    I was trying to participate in the competitions, but it opened on the "Studio-397" page, and I was trying to enter the game in this way, but I was giving "Microsoft C + runtime" error, I installed the latest version again, and the problem persisted, I was using the version of Rfactor 2 "beta", new graphics, did not work. I tried to log in directly through Steam, the problem persisted. So I decided to go back to the version of Rfactor 2, normal, everything Ok now, but I haven't tested the way through the site yet, to try to participate in the competitions.
     
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    Have you also installed the 4 runtime files in the folder
    ..\Steam\steamapps\common\rFactor 2\Support\Runtimes
    ?
    To install the latest versions may not be enough, install these too.
     
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