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Absolutely agree with every word of this... very well put Duvel.

I have NO time whatsoever for people who rip off other peoples work and claim it to be there own...

Should be flayed imo.

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The same with modding. If you use someone's work, you do no damage to original mod nor original mod developers. Use the same arguments in both cases.

As some one stated already: it should be enough to put credit original authors.

For people? no one ask you for that

At the end I agree that it is quite complex subject (from creating content without required licence to sharing work inside community). And probably will never be resolved. But requesting removing videos or screenshots (yep, i remember such requests) is overreaction imo.

 

Sorry, that's completely wrong. If a mod author is proven to be using someone else's work without permission, the topic should be locked, all download links removed and the person or people in question should be perma-banned from the forum in question by the moderators, like any other decent mod community that has morals.

 

Been addressed already but a bit more in depth:

Logi wheels have a problem with low forces in the center of the range (and partly all across the range). If you use the FFB benchmark tool to do a linearity check, you'll notice that when you set the wheel to 100% overall strength you get barely any movement in the wheel with forces from 0% to 15%. Only after that they start to really do anything. With 107% you get real forces into the wheel from the get-go. Granted, it saturates a bit earlier than with 100% (though the difference in saturation is smalle than the difference in getting going at all), but you still end up with more linear forces with 107% than 100%.



Right-click -> Open image for full-size.

 

I cannot believe people see it otherwise. Only proper thing to do really.

Only way to pretect modders so they keep producing their work and not spend valuable time getting frustrated in such pointless discussions about the obvious.

 

I don`t have to "be asked"... I`m entitled to my opinion and you know what that is.

It doesn`t matter how it`s dressed up... if I make a mod that has sounds or anything else stolen from it that`s used in someone else`s work without my permission, that`s a form of stealing and completely wrong in my opinion and the person doing the stealing has NO morals or scruples and should not be supported by others who use his mod and compliment him for it...

Simples.

 

+1 to both posts.

 

From this forum or should be banned from all forums? Have you idea how many content should be removed from our rf1 installations due to this rule? I think we would end up with a few cars and tracks only, because even using single 64x64 texture would match ban condition.

Again: Usually I'm in favour of principles. But we all should be careful to not overreacting. Some ones are very close to lynch because he used single texture or single model without permission. I cannot agree with such reaction.

I'm sure there is difference between making photo and reproducing car (its shape) or using its name - 2 the last things are prohibited by trademark (car) owner.

 

I agree there is no need to overreact on this subject but I also have to say that in general I`d rather have much less content for rf/rf2 but use legit, good quality content instead.

 

Hi Maxym, I just meant the official forums. People can and will do what they want on other forums. No-one can legislate for that.

It just annoys me when this happens. I made a mod a few years ago that i released for free that took me a lot of time and effort, so imagine how i felt when i found someone SELLING it for money to unsuspecting members of the public on E-bay. That sucks. Even more so, when in the Ebay comments, the people who bought it ( even though it was posted online in various places for free ), were telling the guy selling it what great skills he had !

 

@Jubuttib,
Where can I get this FFB benchmark tool?

 

They have no problems as well as rf modders have no problems creating Prosches or F1 mods. But it doesn't mean it is legal.

Yes, I understand it may be painful. But it is another cup of coffee. We are talking about sharing work without gaining money and with credits to original author (it is how it should work in community imo)

 

Sure, again I don't say opposite... The keyword is if there are credits to original authors, which they were not in this case. So I would too advice anyone not to play this ripped 88mclaren. OK, I know I can't tell people what they should play so.. let's just pretend nobody plays it.

I am also using Niels' work because I simply didn't manage to do tyres that felt so good, but I asked him beforehand and gave him BIG credit everywhere...

 

I'm not sure how much legal our mods are. It is possible it is illegal. But its more than obvious that car manufactors don't care about our mods so there's nothing bad about it. But when you rip someone's mod and the author is annoyed by this, you should respect that and not think its OK just because YOU think it is OK. By "you" I don't mean exactly you MaXyM, just the person who rips.

It comes down to thousands years old discussion about moral x legality. One is illegal but still moral.

 

In that respect Maxym, i totally agree with you. All i have ever asked for regarding any mod i've made is :

You can do what you want with whatever i've made. Export it to a new game, use it in your own mod, i'm not bothered. For me personally my rules are :

1. Give me credit for the work i have done.

2. It has to always be free of charge. That's it.

 

I have not enough knowledge and language skill to argue about what you wrote. But I feel this statement is ambiguous. Especially since morality is very subjective

 

Morality is very subjective, its about that if car manufacturers don't care, it only makes sense not to feel bad for creating our mods, despite breaking the law. Laws are there to be obeyed but if no real harm was done, so what.

While if you rip any mod, you didn't break any law, but you could make someone angry so you should care about that.

I think its perfectly clear now .

 

Why ban people from forum, which is the only source to explain themselves? When somebody has commited a crime, you don't cut off his tongue. Actually it is more like virtual capital punishment. They must be educated, it must be explained how the overall value of community creation goes down this way. I think people who steal mod parts just want to do good, but are too dumb to understand that they fail in this.

We need ACTA