R9-290 or GTX-770 4GB ??

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  1. Spinelli

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    Is it bugged? What happened to it?
     
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    Sun occlussion is always enabled
     
  3. Spinelli

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    Even when its set to 0 in the PLR?
     
  4. Andregee

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    Yes. The entry is out of order

    Gesendet von meinem GT-I9300 mit Tapatalk
     
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    bought a 290x... All max settings, 30 ai. 100 frames... 4k res... whoa.
     
  6. Opulence

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    I get nothing from 290X crossfire with the latest drivers, is anybody using them in crossfire?
     
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    So can we conclude that amd and nvidia has now the same performance? I bought a gtx 770 2gb just because amd had poor performance in rfactor 2 and I want to return it and buy a r9 290.
     
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    for me, I was going to switch back to Nvidia, after dealing with my old card long enough with this sim. Like a month before I bought the nvidia card, AMD released their 14.4 drivers, and I was pretty stoked about the performance.. So I bought the 290x, mostly because of the heat issues with the base 290/ I bought a windforce, and my temps stay at 40c while playing anything. It idles at 25c... Makes no noise to speak of.. And I bought a full tower case to fit the monster in as there's no way the card will fit in a mid-tower setup.. lol.. Awesome card, really is. Very happy with it, only had it two weeks now though :)
     
  9. Opulence

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    If it helps, I can overclock the 290X to 1215 MHz Core Clock (from stock 1000 Mhz) and 1550 Mhz memory (from 1250 stock). It gives some more fps, some 5-15 extra if your cpu can take it. I use MSI Afterburner, set the Core Voltage to +100 mV, Power Limit to +50, and I personally don't use the Fan Speed since it's watercooled. If anybody does this, make sure you don't cook the card, set the fan to 100%, but I'll sound like a train.

    I should say, I run a I7 3770K @4.5 Ghz, and triple screen (5760*1080) and can't turn everything on. If I do, I get between 5 and 30 fps. With "fancy" things off, no reflections, no wind movement, no fancy this and that and 4 AA, no FXAA, with HDR it can stay around 55-65 fps. No multiview, with multiview on it kills it and drops to around 30 fps at most.
     
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    I use the 290 in a relative old base and yet the performance is surprisingly good. I'm sure AMD has not yet achieved the optimum but they are definitely recommended now, especially the performance in other applications, such as BF4 with Mantle or some other software.

    I for one am very pleased and I have seen many graphics cards but this is one of the best. What do you mean with you can't max out, what conditions ?

    Apart from FXAA and Multiview in use i can set everything else on max on triples and still have an avarage of ~60 fps (short run ~3 turns) with 21 AI on Silverstone as example, and this with a Phenom II 955 sys which even doesn't support PCI-E 3.0.
     
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    It's definitely better with the 14 drivers than the previous ones. What I mean is if I set 8X AA, HDR, maximum number of visible cars, all settings turned to the highest they go in the video settings and don't turn on multiview, go to Malaysia, start non-private practice, it hovers around 30 fps - regardless of the type of car - . As I mentioned earlier crossfire (so a 2nd 290X) does nothing.
     
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    Maybe that's the CF configuration, even if you use only one ? Actually your sys should be much better than mine with one card ( 290 non X here ) but you have worse results.

    I haven't tested malaysia but all the current content as silverstone with various vehicles and 21 opponents, and the result as I said ~ 60 fps average with a short run of 3 rounds.


    The only thing I have not yet tested on max level is Indy.
     
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    Yes, that is with one card. A 2nd one doesn't have any effect, I complained to Amd a million times (a long time ago with a 4970 as well with flickering textures in Gothic 3 - this was never fixed), but so far nothing. I don't think Amd actually has the resources to address niche games such as rFactor2. There's a blog post from a Valve developer about the driver quality of different vendors. Even though it is about OpenGL, it reflects on the whole company as a whole I would say... http://richg42.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-truth-on-opengl-driver-quality.html . Vendor B is Amd, Vendor A is Nvidia. Basically he says Amd makes great hardware but crap software, Nvidia makes great hardware and semi-crap software :).

    I agree, some fps issues could be setup related, who knows what the differences are btw your setup and mine, except for the actual systems, such as software that is running, processes etc. I did notice that some tracks are better (Mills for example is better by 20 fps or so), but I figured I'll go for the lowest denominator. Either way, I remember having issues with two gtx680s in sli, those cards are in a different computer now, and I don't want to switch things around just to test them again - however I think I remember sli was fixed in an older build.

    For single card setups I would say it's ok to get a new Amd card, but one that actually gets improvements from the new Amd drivers (e.g don't get a 6 series or even 7 series card such as 7970 or whatever, since they might drop support for them sooner). Who knows what happens in the future, Amd does many "fix one break 10 things" driver releases.
     
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    The upcoming 14.6 is interesting, perhaps it also helps your problem.

    Performance update

    Catalyst 14.6 will also provide performance boost to Watch Dogs, Thief and Murdered Soul Suspect (which is not yet released). You should expect 25-28% better performance in Watch Dogs with the new drivers. Catalyst 14.6 also has new CrossFire profiles specificly for WD. AMD claims it will provide up to 99% scaling to Watch Dogs.

    http://videocardz.com/50583/amd-catalyst-14-6-brings-eyefinity-mixed-resolutions-support

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/8058/...ailable-adds-new-eyefinity-functionality-more
     
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    Instant crash with the new 14.6 beta drivers when I try to open the catalyst control panel. Reinstalled, uninstalled, reinstalled, switch from 3 screens to 1 screen, did Voodoo, nothing. Have to wait for the non-beta release.

    Edit: I managed to get past the Catalyst Control Panel crash by not installing it, and just installing the new actual drivers. Remains to be seen if they are any better.

    Edit 2: There is definitely a good improvement, I now get about 40 fps at the back of the grid at Malaysia with everything maxed out except FXAA and Multiview, full heavy rain, this settles into 40-50 while racing. I believe this is about 10-15 more than before. With the overclock I mentioned earlier I get 50 fps at the start and 50-60 when racing. This is with everything set to the highest possible (max cars on screen etc.), 8X AA but no FXAA, and triple screen (5760*1080). Should be ok to get more than 60 fps all the time with some settings lowered, but I don't have to lower as many as before.

    Unfortunately Crossfire is still KO. Also, since these are beta, who knows what/where broke besides the Catalyst Control Panel. I'll keep them for now since I was able to get past the Catalyst Control Panel issue and they don't seem to be any worse than v14.4 .

    If anybody tries them, you can uncheck the Catalyst Control Panel in the driver install if you pick the customized install option. The old one seems to work fine with the new drivers, some of the eyefinity settings look different but they work with the older Catalyst Control Panel.
     
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    That is a pity, i'm sorry for you that CF doesn't work.

    With how many vehicles have you tested ? Then I would suggest you to use the more optimized tracks such as example Silverstone, LochD or Mores because I don't know if Malaysia is suitable, and also the cars make a difference. The open wheeler had a better performance as I've tested the last, as for example the Civic, and we had used the civic for the last bench's we did to compare.

    About Indy content I'm not sure to what extent it is finished.

    edit: Driver 14.4 / Resolution 5760x1080 / Track Silverstone Int. / 20 AI / Level 8 AA / 16xAF / No MultiV. / No FXAA / Display-GFX Settings MAX / Weather Sunny / realistic HDR / AI Driver Start Position 21 / 3 Turns with trailing AI in front

    No OC / CPU PhenomII@3200 Standard / GPU 947Mhz/1250Mhz Standard / 16GB DDR3 1600Mhz

    Frames, Time (ms), Min, Max, Avg
    16418, 299974, 42, 68, 54.731


     
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    The 14,6 is a bit faster than the 14,4 with my 7970 @5040x1050.
    With 25 Ai on the Nurburg Ring 1.0 i reach 55 instead of 51fps @ the end of the grid and nearly the whole time constant 60fps after the start. With the 14.4 i got often drops down to 55 fps or below.
    Not so much but unexpected.
    Thanks again Amd.
     
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    Eyefinity issues here, I'm back to 14.4 !
     
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    Driver 14.4 / Resolution 1920x1080 / Track Silverstone /Honda Civic 29 AI / Level 3 AA / 8xAF / No MultiV. / FXAA / Sync To - Video / Display-GFX Settings all max / Weather Variable
    No OC / CPU FX8350 / GPU R9 290 reference / 8GB DDR3 1800Mhz

    And I'm hitting 60 FPS, going in low 50's sometimes,, averaging at 59 after 20 min bench in Fraps.
    Is limiting FPS advised for racing sims, I have 60Hz Display and belive there is no reason to go over 60 fps
     
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    Are AMD cards performing competively now?
     

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