Oculus Rift over 100k DevKits sold -is ISI going to support with rf2 integration ??

I think you misunderstood my point. I don't think it makes sense (despite what we know of fb) to prejudge what the product will be bundled with (unless you see into the future) and to have decided whether you will buy it or not based on no evidence. My reference to it being a "facade" was to the positive impact that having a wide-spread stance of people not willing to purchase a product with possible facebook software that we would not be willing to put up with. The difference is between stating you know as a fact (somehow) it will be "y" and saying i will do "x" if it turns out to be "y".

 

And what about the information you don't want to give Facebook? If it was just for the information you leave on their website there wouldn't be such a fuss about it.

For example, Facebook knows which websites you are visiting:

Source:
http://www.abine.com/blog/2012/how-facebook-buttons-can-track-you-across-the-web/


In other words, Facebook knows about (nearly) all the websites you visit. At least the ones with a Facebook button on them. I didn't verify it myself because I don't have an account but you can. Get Firebug for Firefox and you can see which cookies will be sent to Facebook when you visit your favourite porn site for example.

Not everybody is familiar with that stuff which leads to unexpected outcome. I don't think collecting peoples sexual interests is OK, not if the majority has no clue that this kind of data is collected about them. It's not just about porn, nearly every popular website helps them with tracking by providing a Facebook button.

It is not like you can't go around that, but this behaviour is surely not what you would expect if you don't know about computers. Which I think a big portion of Facebooks users don't. I can't trust people that like that, this is why I am pessimistic about Facebook.

At some point they said they want to improve the situation because people were raving about it. I have no idea how that went.

 

hiya crz

I don't care of they or anyone advertises every web page I visit, every thing I write on forums everything I look at to read etc as I have absolutely nothing to hide, Facebook can have the lot before I care with my blessing,
the only thing I want to keep private is online banking -which I now use apps for so no that's not even in browser now,

I'm not a fan of ads, but if I must see them ( we can't avoid them hey ) then they might as well be more suited to me as a result of my web browsing/Facebook etc & why not? I'd prefer these companies to make monies that way than trying to charge me,

p.s I still don't take much interest in ads even if they're within my areas of interest

p.p.s part from bigjugs.com I'd prefer they kept that secret ( joke! )

 

FFS... Oculus to FB, what the hell Palmer etc were thinking!? They already got enough funds to make it good enough but now it's not up to them anymore to decide which things matter the most. I personally fear FB is going to speed up the development and add all kinds of "cool stuff" which most of us simracers couldn't care less. For sure FB's main interest is not the gaming industry and now they're rushing to be first out with cheap VR which will revolutionize social networking. Sorry but can't think of anything good out of this acquisition (other than the Hitler video few pages back which was brilliant! )

 

It is not quite clear for what that information is beeing used. I think targeted advertising is the least worrying possibility. Annoying at worst but not a real issue.

My concerns are not about if you can adjust your behaviour to it or not. Most people can't adjust because they don't know about it. Facebook makes use of their unawareness. To me this is an indicator on how much I can trust them.

Anyway, even if sceptical I still hope we will benefit from that big pile of money Oculus VR now has at it's disposal

 

That money doesn't help a bit if there will be new FB/social network features added in expense of features which would have improved gaming experience. It's also so small device and weight etc is crucial so therefore (at least I believe so) they would need to compensate elsewhere. When discussing which features are more important over others then what do you think who WILL say the last word; Palmer or Zuckerberg?

Maybe I'll just shut my piehole now. Too much pessimism on my side right now.

 

yup exactly my thoughts.

 

I'm anticipating oculus will now be having their own screens developed, specifically suited for VR

super hi res
high speed refresh
optimal size ( more width )
calibrated to work well with the rifts optics

-instead of making the best of present screens available,

oculus together with Facebook now have serious financial clout

maybe a delay on the first consumer version ( due to developing a screen ) or maybe this would be for the C2

p.s crz -I see you angle, those things just don't bother me personally

 

later we'll have the "Facebook social VR platform" of course, virtual meeting places no doubt

 

I think you misunderstand my position and the position of many others. It doesn't matter what it comes bundled with or turns out as x or y. It is dead to me, I won't be putting anything that comes from them on my head, end of. No facade. Out of principle I will not be a customer of theirs. There will be people who oppose it and end up getting it and i'm not going to tell people not to get it, each to their own. I see your point but facade isn't a word I would use to describe a motion to influence the direction a product takes, fair enough though, forum discussions are often hard going to take things the way they are meant when people have so many different ways of saying things or different views on the use of words, I could just be totally wrong on the uses the word has and not quite getting it in that context . I respect that others have their own opinions about the whole thing and will get it and no doubt enjoy it, but it's not for me. There will be another option, at worst it could be a hacked version of Sony's VR unit to work with PC, I have doubts they will enter the PC market directly as their VR unit will most likely be used to contribute to the success of the PS4. Even my PS3 pad is 'hacked' to be recognised as an XBOX controller on my PC and they'd sell loads more of them if they supported them on PC.

 

They keep saying that FB did not affect OR in any way, same as with Instagram etc, but what i believe is that they will take the same route youtube took. When youtube was new there was almost zero ads and catches. As years went people started getting used to use YT and it became part of their life, YT (in this case Google which is in many terms very similar to Facebook) started putting commericals in front of the videos that you could always skip after 5 sec, after a while when people got used to that, they introduced new types of ads, wether long skip-able one, or short that cannot be skipped and you have to watch it as a whole. Now they already started introducing what used to be "long skip-able" as unskip-able, and introducing even longer as skip-able. They keep moving the lenght of the commercials also with how often you get them when watching a video. It used to be rather rare, now its like all the time and i even get ad when i go from Fullscreen to windowed.
This is a system many long-term companies use, even whole goverments. They have a disgusting target and they know people would not accept it. So they start to slowly graduate it into peoples lifes. This way people will only keep moaning about it, but get on with it.

I reckon this is exacly what Facebook will do with their VR. They will leave it to be pure VR for a certain time, so people buy it, make it part of their life, other will hear from the owners how awesome it is and that there is nothing to be afraid of and after certain time they will slowly start to implement what Facebooks target is. (This target also moves with time further and further)

To my knowledge, neither Sony or Valve has never introduced such process so far. Not saying it will not happen, but my faith in them is significantly higher

 

There is a little difference: youtube is a software service you don't pay, you don't buy, so, in some way, they must make bucks to provide the service. The Occulus, is a piece of hardware that people will pay. Once paid, is paid, why it should magically produce commercial advises? Even offline? Really? In a server during a race? IT's some kind of joke?

 

All speculation until we see the end product. I don't understand the point in making a big deal about it and getting ourselves so worked up about it unless it turns out the way you've been dreading when it is finally released. Only then make up your decision on whether not to buy it for whatever your reason(s).

 

It is a bit knee jerk reaction especially me because I like to play out possible scenarios, in some sort of pathetic belief that I might be able to protect what I care about if I know in advance if something is good or bad. It is a bit like in the comical hitler video earlier in the thread, even the Nazis would have found teaming up with Zuckerberg too risky. I think they (OR) grossly underestimated how much facebook and anything that goes with it is disliked. This is why waiting to see seems almost pointless. The facebook shareholders will want it to make money, if there is no big profit in the hardware then they will want it some other way. How does facebook make its shareholders money now? Advertising? Surreptitiously selling data? Government subsidies? BIG NEVER ENDING PROFIT SHARES (or crumble and get split up).

That North Korean fella, we might want to just give him a chance, I'm sure he's nice really
The international banking system, (where facebook lives) that's clean now too right, nothing to worry about, all fraud and lies a distant blip.
I think Palmer just got into bed and he hasn't a clue who with.

I found it interesting and somewhat hopeful that part of his reasoning was he wanted to choose someone who wouldn't steal the technology and make their own one. It suggests to me that there is no real patent involved because the Oculus is a collection of already patented tech. Screens, lenses, tracking, gyros, accelerometers. So hopefully alternative superior products will not be too far off. Who knows maybe we will be able to buy modular self assembly VR based solutions from as many companies as make graphics cards or screens before long.

I'm not all doom.

There is no doubt though they have soured the whole VR dream and crowd funding ideology with this unholy union.

It keeps making me think the film Gamer. One gigantic leap closer to that really isn't it? Zuckerberg will even look a bit like Ken Castle (Michael C Hall) when he's out of puberty.

 

Well done Murtaya, very well said

 

Well, even The Guardian does
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/27/oculus-rift-facebook-buy-out-kickstarter

 

The porn tabu should already be out of society but retrieving those cookies is just unacceptable. I'll try out why you say. If it is true as you say I will, as you have done, give publicity to it to let the people know the kind of practices that are being carried. If they are really proud of them they will keep up the same way. However, I don't think they will like that publicity.

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What I would like to see is somebody who openly makes a career out of manipulating minds show what they can achieve. Give one to Derren Brown. Then let's decide who we would like to have control of this new completely unregulated technology. He used a videogame before to hypnotize a chap into believing Zombies were for real. Strikes me that this technology could make that sort of manipulation look like childs play. Social media is being used (or attempted) to manipulate and control the populus. This is why the twitter and youtube thing in Turkey this week for instance. WW3 is kind of in progress, data is the weapon, the battlefield is our minds.

 

Since everybody expresses his opinion about the subject I will do so.

First of all. The link you provide does not provide anything closely related to the official opinion of a mass media giant as The Guardian.

The article is the personal opinion of the reporter who clearly dislikes FB and he disapproves the way people make use of it and like it. While he criticices advertisement he does not seem to realize the two ads that are in the f----g middle of the news. Furthermore to support his opinion he provides the absolutely crucial fact that Minesweeper, a friki game IMO, is not supporting it anymore (which I think is an absolute error in terms of strategy from which he will have to retreat) because the creator hates Facebook (poweful reason). He prefers the alternative of Sony, which has clearly shown that his innovation capability is far below other competitors as Samsung.
If you have taken the time to watch, analyse and compare oculus rift presentation video and project morpheus presentation at GDC is just HILARIOUS:

Oculus video is showing what they have achieved and promoting it more like a commercial product rather than a DK. It shows facts.

Sony's does not show anything but intentions. No gameplays, no prototypes, nothing.... Only pictures about how they think it can be done...

It has been proven around Innovation History that the one that strikes first, strikes twice. Oculus will cope the market because the quality of their product is out of the question as it has clearly been demonstrated throughout this thread.

BTW I ordered mine last Sunday before FB's operation was announced and it was great news for me.


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I don't really seem to notice any ads except the one that pops about half the time at the beginning of a YouTube vid,
good luck to YouTube & I hope they make good money from them, if the cookies on my browsing device selects the correct ads ( ones that are probably more applicable to my interests base on my web browsing) then that's good too,
a good system , although I take no notice of them & my mind is not so easily manipulated if I had etc.

I can't say I've ever noticed the ads on Facebook but I hope Facebook get decent revenue from them etc

I don't use the web for anything that's secret so I have no problem what so ever with Facebook/YouTube's servers cookie scanning

these companies can even have photos of my laundry or whatever else I really wouldn't care , my online banking done using apps I'm pretty sure is confidential I obviously wouldn't agree to sharing that information )