Jeremy Miller tweets (Senior Programmer at ISI)

steam did a review i think it was about 7% in gaming

 

Could be different for sim gamers. I think there are many out there who are like me and barely play any other games. Not that I'm using XP but anyway it shouldn't be your problem if ISI want some extra cash from XP users. They're the ones who know which approach is proftable.

 

^^ i don't really care its not my problem just gave my opinion that's all.

 

What, that a lot of XP users are hackers? Yep, that's great.

A lot of people have a dedicated box for playing rFactor/2, completely separate to their usual PC. People always pop up and say "but a W7/8 license is only $x!" but that's still $x and potentially hardware that for whatever reason may not be happy to upgrade. If it works it works, no reason not to leave it, no good reason to spend money, and in the scheme of things making it work in XP can't be that big an issue compared to everything else.

State your opinion, fine, but don't get all pissy if someone disagrees.

 

Stay in topic guys.

You can start another thread for this XP conversation if you wish.

 

read the post above ^^ #516 that's what i was talking about and i have sent all the cracks i have found so far to GJON.

 

It is ridiculous to be playing this sim on a 5+ year old PC with XP. I would not dedicate any resources to that platform. At the end of the software development (at current path we can be talking about two years more) nobody will probably be running xp anymore. If my performance with an i7 quad core 6gb ram and 2gb nvidia is average, having to turn down graphics to play fluently.... i would not want to give a try with less powerful pc. As other people say it would interesting to see how rf2 would run under linux which I think would take better advantage of the real power of the PC.

Wrt the new compiling method, I am glad to see new things are tried. They might not work as expected but the effort is welcome and appreciated.

However if ISI wants to really empower this sim I think the path to follow is different...
IMO the gmotor is old fashioned and is conditioning the rf2 experience for most users. I would say running the gpu at 100% and CPU less than 50% cannot be considered optimization. Gmotor load is too high at the moment. This approach is wrong IMO considering the prices of powerful cards, which are much more expensive than any OS or good CPU. Sometimes ISI strategy isnot clear: We support wxp but you must expend 500+ euro in a GPU to play nicely.

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When you make a racing sim, you can make that choice of what you support. ISI doesn't seem to make their choices on forum opinions, but their own business experience. We can't stop them... so why complain? IF....BUT.... won't solve a thing.

 

For sure but if you dont try you wont get anything. Probably ISI will stick to its philosophy but there is always a chance that they realize that hardware requirements are nowadays light years away from OS requirements and that might condition the overall quality and performance of the game. My last two computers already ran under w7 and the first one was not capable of running rf2 at a decent quality. That is the reason why I bought my actual pc which fulfills in some cases by far recommended hardware but STILL struggles with rf2.

It sounds riduculous to me to talk about win xp times which was already in the market 10 years ago when I started working in my actual company

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Just an FYI for the non devs out there. VC2012 would not compile for XP anymore. People bitched so in SP1 they added a compiler option to add XP support back. Holding onto XP support isn't going to slow down development or cripple the experience on newer OS's. They just need to get there build environment worked back out. I wouldn't get all freaked out and start another war on XP like the last time they had a build that failed to run on XP.

 

I hope you are right noel but is confusing to me. Why not use 64 bit win7 capabilities? Other programs included OS have yheir 32 and 64 bit options and since i can run both in a 64 bit pc I guess that 64 bit versuon is more powerful. Rf2 seems to be 32 bit. Isn't that wasting pc resources?

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Remember commercial users who may not update their OSes as much as we do.

 

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XP is being used so little that at this point even Vista, the worse OS since ME, has almost passed it.

 

Not everyone use Steam (thanks god). So I doubt that this statistic is representative for all sort of players.

 

They have a userbase of 5mil users/gamers/PC-users, I'd say that's quite alot more representative then your doubts

 

Agreed, I'd say it is a very accurate representation.

 

rFactor as it is right now has no reason to ditch XP. If it switches to a new DX level then maybe XP should be dropped. Until then it would be stupid from a business standpoint to drop XP. It isn't like they are jumping through hoops to keep XP comparability. Why throw away business (regardless of how small) if there is no cost associated with keeping it. Seems like a no brainer to me.

 

If you're selling a product, why would you automatically dismiss a percentage of your market if the effort it takes to hit that market is relatively little to the amount you're spending making the product?

Remember at the end of the day, this is a business! ISI are here to make money.

As John mentioned, ISI have done their numbers and obviously it is more profitable adding XP support than not.

 

Runs Best With
- 3.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo or 3.0 GHz AMD Athlon II x2 or better
- 4GB RAM or more
- nVidia 250 GTS or ATI/AMD 4870 or better
- 512MB Video Memory or more
- Microsoft Windows Vista 64bit, Windows 7 64bit
- DirectX 9.0c (included with installer)
- 2008 C++ SP1 Runtimes (included with installer)
- 4GB Hard Drive Space or more
- Internet Connection
- Steering wheel and pedals

System Requirements
- 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 or 2.4 GHz AMD Athlon x2
- 2GB RAM
- nVidia 8600 GT or ATI/AMD 3850
- 256MB Video Memory
- Microsoft Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7
- DirectX 9.0c (included with installer)
- 2008 C++ SP1 Runtimes (included with installer)
- 4GB Hard Drive Space
- Internet Connection


I think even if this goal will be to optimize.....

 

^^^ Except that's not quite what it says in the FAQ is it.

MINIMUM (will not run or look as best):
PU: 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 or 2.4 GHz AMD Athlon x2
Memory: 2 GB
Video Card: nVidia 8600 GT or ATI/AMD 3850
Video Memory: 256MB
Operating System: PC Microsoft Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7
DirectX: 9.0c
Storage: 4 GB
Internet connection required.

RECOMMENDED MINIMUMS (will run well, may look better with better hardware):
CPU: 3.0 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo or 3.0 GHz AMD Athlon II x2 or better
Memory: 4 GB+
Video Card: nVidia 250 GTS or ATI/AMD 4870 or better
Video Memory: 512MB+
Operating System: PC Microsoft Windows Vista 64bit, Windows 7 64bit
Storage: 4 GB+Notes:
1 – 2008 C++ Runtimes SP1 required (included with installer).
2 – rFactor 2 executable is 32bit. 64bit OS recommended above to allow more than 4GB RAM.

Saying that, 'well' should be replaced with 'adequately'.