Released Howston G4 and G6 v1.2 Released

[Galaga]

These cars appear to be competitive with 60s F1. Seems like would be fun to race them together. What do you guys think?

 

[1959nikos]

These cars appear to be competitive with 60s F1. Seems like would be fun to race them together. What do you guys think?

Sacrilege

 

[Galaga]

Sacrilege

LOL. My bread and butter . FYI - I have mashup server online with several modern tracks in rotation that I think are good matches for these vehicles. Server name is same a always but mod name is RevivalRacingHOWSTON60sF1MASHUP .

 

[Guimengo]

These cars appear to be competitive with 60s F1. Seems like would be fun to race them together. What do you guys think?

The 1966 F1 car was from the year before they became proper big powered beasts. 1967 had a lot more power, and then 1968 had wings. Some of those Lolas should be faster than the Brabham, especially the rf2 version.

 

[MikeeCZ]

Ok after discovering how much fun it is to drive this with auto-clutch disallowed (even with clutch on stupid button), and how boring and pointless it feels when the auto-clutch is on (taking most of the fun and challenge away in these cars)
Howstons has finally convinced me to go for 3 pedal system. Thank you ISI

 

[deak1944]

Ok after discovering how much fun it is to drive this with auto-clutch disallowed (even with clutch on stupid button), and how boring and pointless it feels when the auto-clutch is on (taking most of the fun and challenge away in these cars)
Howstons has finally convinced me to go for 3 pedal system. Thank you ISI

Have to agree! Time for me to mod a clutch pedal. Now where did I put that 5kg load cell?

 

[88mphTim]

Woww..this rf2 forum remind me Pcars forums which is very sad!

Your postings come across a bit strange sometimes, that's all. You almost discuss everything at a tangent to the topic all the time. They shouldn't react like they sometimes do, but please try to minimize your OT replying, etc, as well. If a car isn't for you, give comment on the car, try giving some feedback about how it feels to you and why you think that is. Saying something, then saying you never even would like the type of car in the first place (which essentially invalidates every post you made previously) doesn't make much sense to people.

And this isn't an attack, I'm trying to help you and everyone else get on better here.

remind me, what's the setting in the plr? I had a look last night but can't find anything, can't see heat haze at all with these cars!

I think:
Heat FX Fade Speed="30.00000" // Speed at which exhaust heat effects reduce by half (0 to completely disable)

Maybe got some kind of bug with the AI and the Howston. Did a 5 lap sprint race at Estoril Grand Prix (One with no chicane), and on the 4th lap, all of the AI pulled in for a tyre change. I was at the front and only noticed it when I checked the gap back to the next driver and it was over 1 minute. Not sure if it's the car, the track, or something else.

You sure he didn't retire? It could be that he had a failure and others were stuck behind him. Did you look at a replay? Either way, still an issue, but if you race the track again please let us know.

Happened with me in the 20 lap race at Mores.

Any more info?

Yep. Happening at Nuerburgring also.

More info?

Where do you get off telling people to shut up... ?

How many times are you going to say this? Shut-up about it in this thread, which is for people who care about the G4 and G6.

Easy fellas... While I know the original person being replied to could improve the way he posts, he's not being massively aggressive or any of the other things (that I've seen, anyway) that could cause this kind of reaction. If you are thinking of replying "how many times" to someone, perhaps add them to your ignore list?

All we need now is better textures for the G6 cockpit (very fuzzy despite ultimate detail) and a community made skinpack with all sponsor logos and the like.
I would certainly prefer historically accurate skins over some of the fantasy ones. The Porsche, Martini and David Piper skins are great, but they would be much better looking with stickers....

There's actually some nice things coming for carset (skins) and the way they're going to work. But I still think most of these community made skins are pretty nice. The cockpit textures, this car probably isn't on-par with ones started more recently (these were started in 2009, but updated as much as was felt possible at the moment).

How far did you watch? If you start at 3:30 that's about what it looked like earlier when I was racing it online at LRP and winning. Check out his correction around 4:00 in the kink.

As for overall grip, who knows. You'd have to look at corner speeds and stuff, and it changes so much in rF2 with different track conditions. 1G isn't much though. Most decent road cars can achieve 1G now, and even the Skippy is in excess of that.

It's actually 1.12-1.2G, depending on config. It was racing at a time when corners didn't really get in the way too much. Think Le Mans, etc. Although, in my reading at least, this car was the trigger for fundamental changes in race car design, the realization that drag can be acceptable when creating downforce. See the chart in the configuration section here:
http://rfactor.net/web/rf2/rf2dl/howston-hg4-hg6/

 

[88mphTim]

The 1966 F1 car was from the year before they became proper big powered beasts. 1967 had a lot more power, and then 1968 had wings. Some of those Lolas should be faster than the Brabham, especially the rf2 version.

In 1965-1966 the T70 was the fastest car in the world, of any type. It should beat the Brabham. Google "t70 fastest car in world 1965" for some great reading.

 

[Ryno917]

The 1966 F1 car was from the year before they became proper big powered beasts. 1967 had a lot more power, and then 1968 had wings. Some of those Lolas should be faster than the Brabham, especially the rf2 version.

Strictly speaking 1966 was the first year of the 3 Litre formula. Trouble was, though, that those engines were hard to come by so many teams didn't have a big engine until later in the season, if at all. IIRC at the beginning of the season there were only 2 3 litre engines in use; the Ferrari and the horrid BRM H16 (which Lotus used in the Lotus 43). Brabham just wasn't able to secure one of them. I'm not sure if they ever did get one of the big boys in '66, but they still managed a title. Which was repeated in '67.

In 1965-1966 the T70 was the fastest car in the world, of any type. It should beat the Brabham. Google "t70 fastest car in world 1965" for some great reading.

Awesome, I'll have to check it out

 

[MarcG]

Thought I'd give these a run at the standard Brianza track (without the banking) and I'm getting screen lock ups, the sound locks up too but the FFB acts as though the cars hit a wall and gone off road (i.e. goes crazy!). I can alt-tab out and shut down RF2 from Task Manager so I know it's nothing to do with my GPU. The banked layout works just fine, anyone experienced the same? also forgot where the crash log files go? (if indeed RF2 creates any!)

 

[88mphTim]

Thought I'd give these a run at the standard Brianza track (without the banking) and I'm getting screen lock ups, the sound locks up too but the FFB acts as though the cars hit a wall and gone off road (i.e. goes crazy!). I can alt-tab out and shut down RF2 from Task Manager so I know it's nothing to do with my GPU. The banked layout works just fine, anyone experienced the same? also forgot where the crash log files go? (if indeed RF2 creates any!)

There won't be a crash log because the software continues. Try unplugging your wheel, letting the AI drive... That kind of lockup is pretty unusual and most of the time I'd say hardware. Because your wheel goes nuts (which it shouldn't do), I'm leaning towards the wheel or wheel driver?

 

[MarcG]

There won't be a crash log because the software continues. Try unplugging your wheel, letting the AI drive... That kind of lockup is pretty unusual and most of the time I'd say hardware. Because your wheel goes nuts (which it shouldn't do), I'm leaning towards the wheel or wheel driver?

no it's defintaley the car continuing even though the screen has frozen and then the car crashing, thus the wheel going nuts (as though you crash normally). Again it's just at this layout and repeatable after a lap or two. On the banked track (other tracks) it's absolutley fine.

 

[88mphTim]

no it's defintaley the car continuing even though the screen has frozen and then the car crashing, thus the wheel going nuts (as though you crash normally). Again it's just at this layout and repeatable after a lap or two. On the banked track (other tracks) it's absolutley fine.

That's really interesting. Do you run in window mode or fullscreen? If fs, try window. If it's still running in the background, again there probably won't be a crash log, as it's not crashed as far as Windows is concerned, you quit it.

 

[MarcG]

That's really interesting. Do you run in window mode or fullscreen? If fs, try window. If it's still running in the background, again there probably won't be a crash log, as it's not crashed as far as Windows is concerned, you quit it.

ok it's a FS issue, running 1920x1200 it crashes (again after a lap or two), click the Windowed button and it runs just fine 5+ laps. I always run FS as I get better FPS and again just to reiterate every other track is fine, ran a clio 20lap race at Mores earlier no problems, Howstons on the Banked layout no problems. Just this layout in FS

bed time now, anything else you want me to try just shout and I'll do it tomorrow evening

 

[88mphTim]

bed time now, anything else you want me to try just shout and I'll do it tomorrow evening

Thanks. Just try other tracks when you can, nail down that it definitely only happens on that layout, and that it isn't some background program or something that so far has only got you by chance on that layout.

 

[MarcG]

I presume you mean other tracks with the howstons as I know other mods and tracks are just fine.

 

[Minibull]

For the pitting bug Tim, yep I looked at the replay. Racing with 10 AI, on the 4th out of 5 laps, they all pulled in at once to change their tyres, all in one big line. They then came out for the last lap and finished the race.
Track was Estoril, 5 laps, no weather change set.

 

[88mphTim]

Yes, Marc. So you're sure? OK, will report and see if they can reproduce. Any chance you can upload your race settings screen, and gfx options screen (your specs are still current?)

For the pitting bug Tim, yep I looked at the replay. Racing with 10 AI, on the 4th out of 5 laps, they all pulled in at once to change their tyres, all in one big line. They then came out for the last lap and finished the race.
Track was Estoril, 5 laps, no weather change set.

What were your wear, fuel usage and time scaling options set to? (And thanks).

 

[MarcG]

yep just this layout, will try other mods on it tomorrow and upload settings screens after

 

[Minibull]

What were your wear, fuel usage and time scaling options set to? (And thanks).

Tyre wear and fuel usage were set to "normal" and time was set for realtime. The car was the 4th varient of the G6, the one with 590hp.
I'll try some other tracks and car varients tonight, see whats up.