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@hamiltonfan2205

I don't know if your UK based, but scan has started to sell bundles of setups....

http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer...ards-intel/socket-1150-intel-z97-motherboards

scroll down to the bottom, if you have any concerns, they are always happy to help or offer advice.

 

The reviews are fine but they don't match up with what you're after. For starters, all these reviews are over 2 years old. The X51 being reviewed then is not the same as the X51 your looking at. For instance, the base gpu at the time was the GTX555 to the GTX670. At the time, the GTX555 wasn't bad for the intent (entry level gaming). Interestingly the GTX 670 is still in the top X51 but the GTX 555 has been replaced by the GTX745….however….they perform exactly the same based on the only comparisons of the two i could find (http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-745-vs-GeForce-GTX-555 & http://novabench.com/gpuchart.php?a=1). And this makes a lot of sense considering that if they're keeping with the GTX 670 for the top end X51. The benefits of moving to the 745 over the 555 are that the 555 would have been phased out of production whilst the 670's had not.

fyi if you look at the spec of the GTX 745 vs the 555, you'll see the 745 has twice as many stream shaders in the gpu which would suggest being around twice as powerful and this is true. But the memory used is DDR3 and the bandwidth on the 745 is resultantly bottlenecked making it perform no better or worse than the GTX 555. This is how they make the same product but with a cheaper manufacturing process (small gpu size = cheaper manufacturing costs, etc), label it as being new and therefore better (because it has more processing cores for example) yet giving your the exact same performance.

Technology moves fast, a gtx 745 may as well be a 2-3 year sold gtx 555. At least with the gtx 670 high end X51 you know what you're buying up front…a 2 year old product.

The reviews are not saying the x51 (with the gtx555) can play them definitively on high, they use words like "…can play on fairly high graphical settings" which is completely meaningless when you could have 10 different graphical settings in a game and there's a huge disparity in the performance difference of each. So for example, the non performance intensive settings that make the majority of the graphics settings (e.g. let's say 90% of the settings for arguments sake) could be set on "high" but the remaining 10% of settings which hog performance can only be set on "low"…..should the average of all be interpreted as medium/high or "fairly high"? That is essentially what those reviews are doing.

To give you the rf2 equivalent analogy. The 2-3 key graphical settings in the rf2 graphics menu out of the 10 or so different settings available to you that make up more than 50% of the performance requirement come from the Environment Refelctions, Road Reflections and Shadow Resolution. No doubt in my mind you will be able to set all the others on maximum, but these will have to be on off and/or maybe, just maybe you could have one or two of them on low.

I hope you see the problem with using just the scores given in these reviews to judge a pc.

Now, if what you're actually after in fact matches up with what they're saying, then by all means, if you have the money to blow and don't mind spending more than you'd ordinarily have to building your own, get yourself one then. But you said "maximum settings" in rf2 and that is simply beyond possibility on the pc you've shown us by Dell (as well as a massive rip off).

Forgot to mention, the majority of the reviews are using 720p as the resolution for when judging/reviewing the PC's performance. There can be a substantial performance reduction when you switch to 1080p since the number of pixels is doubled.

 

Ok, did some more research and i may have been a little too harsh. If you wanted to use all max though, don't expect more than 30-40fps when your playing (though i still feel based on the numbers and gut feeling i may be being generous with those numbers still). In all honesty, it's not a very safe or comfortable fps region to play in, especially when/if you get the fps dip down moments.

I cannot say for certain how it will perform without testing one ofc but at least in terms of rf2 performance, i really wouldn't expect great results from it at all on max. Pretty much all systems can use max settings but whether it's playable at that setting is the question.

 

And for the same price, you can get a GTX 760 instead which is more than twice as powerful: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/scan...gb-corsair-vengeance-msi-gtx-760-1tb-hdd-win-

However, i'm still not advocating you get this one because a custom selected build can get you an even better pc for the same cost.

This one is only a pentium dual core however and the i3 is also dual core but hyper threaded for 4 virtual cores. The silly thing is, the cost difference between these two are £20-30 but you can't choose on the sight to upgrade. Hence why it just makes so much more sense custom building.

 

@ F1 Aussie:

c3po, that is exactly my system, i have 2 x 780 but only run 1 in rf2 as it has no stuttering and much higher fps this way.

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I have two cards as well, but I use them in SLI using the SLI profile for crysis, and I get better frames, smooth performance.

Have you tried other SLI profiles in nvidia inspector?

 

No way in the world, pathetic video ( in the X51)




Find someone to build a tower and spend a few more dollars ....it is good value, something parents should worry about.

Tell your Dad 100 more you could build a tower from OCUK that would obliterate it.

ie: GTX760 for a start !

 

What do you recon to this card.....

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-...-1006mhz-boost-1072mhz-cores-2304-dvi-d-dvi-I

Not a bad price for a dual GPU

 

Problem is you can get 2 x GTX760 OC for much less ........... or a GTX780 which is what I would advise for rFactor2

70 quid cheaper ....http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-127-GI&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1341

 

^ Bingo! Not even £100 more, only £55 more.

 

Thing is parents that have never built a tower think somehow their children would do a even worse job and it is doomed to failure. wtf ? .

It is a screwdriver at worst.

Trust me get the parts, maybe not exact ones but similar, don't unpack nothing !

Come on here start a thread let people guide you through it.

I have helped countless people build their first PCs, not one of them blew up.

If you build similar you will have triple the graphics power.

 

OK, I've realised my budget limit is £750, and yes I am from the UK which is why i use £ in currency. What do u suggest i do?

 

Newegg ships to the U.K now, I'd have a look at them. Awesome, awesome place to buy all what you need to build a computer. The have informational and how to install videos of most of their products. You can't go wrong with newegg.

 

Is that excluding or including the monitor?

If excluding, that's a mighty budget and you can achieve maximum settings comfortably.

 

holy crap and they're really cheap. 780's for £300 flat.

 

Do you get hit with import duty or is it included?

 

Good question, i'm not sure but i don't think so based on the fact that the prices are much closer to uk than to us (which would be almost half price to us brits).

After a quick search, maybe not. :S

 

Looks like a no. Damn governments!!!! The stuff all comes from China anyway.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/7943/newegg-opens-business-to-the-uk-and-australia


Edit: Taxes and duties will be added automatically to your total before proceeding to the billing information page.


So it will add it in at the checkout page.

 

Are you sure the alienware pc isnt that good for rf2? Cos it looks like it has better settings than the one that i did on pc specialist. If so what way would it run rf2 badly with streaming?

 

With that budget, you can get something pretty kickass. There's no reason to settle for some outdated middle-ground fancy box.

 

There are no benches I can find on the GTX745 worthy noting yet but in this graph it would be slower then the GTX650Ti so you can clearly see the relative performance between a vanilla GTX 760. ( I would say it would slot in just under or above the HD 7770)

The GTX 760 I picked was a overclock model so you can add another few percent to that gap.




Other thing it is not powerful enough to utilize 2GB of vram ( as you see above some 1GB cards are faster even at 1920 )