FIA Formula 2 coming up? Hoover spilled the beans :)

Ill do what I can LOL

 

Judging by the size of it, it might be juuust slow enough for me to enjoy it. F3 was my upper limit before, but we'll see...

 

Hmmm...This car get much more power than a Formula 3..I guess around 510CV vs 200/250 of a modern F3 serie.

 

Dang, really THAT much faster? Might be too much for me to handle, then.

 

Yeah. They're pretty fast.. more similar to the formula Renault in terms of performances.

 

They had 425hp most the time, and 480hp with overboost last year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Formula_Two_Championship,

They do some 2:03 at Spa and 1:45 at nurburgring. So about 13secs slower than f1.

 

http://rfactor.net/web/2012/05/21/formula-two-announces-new-partnership-with-rfactor2/

 

As mentioned in wikipaedia the cars have a "push-to-pass" option (10 times during race) by aumenting power ...

so, for me this will be the most important feature to be implemented in rF2, woun´´t ???

 

Push button, 10 seconds of increased power..... hmmm, this could be fun

 

I can hardly wait,i hope new update in friday.... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/isia.png/

 

I have great hopes for this little car I hate the series IRL because there is just NO WAY to overtake, even with the push to pass.

For me though the most anticipated thing that has been mentioned here is the real turbo simulation, maybe finally we can feel what it really means to have a massive turbo lag

 

Vvvvvzoomm...fshhhhh...

 

ISI are now testing this mod on there test sever, not long now maybe

Doh, just seen post above

 

In addition to the ISI server there is also one called "scream theatre" which has the get mod button. Anyone know what it is?

EDIT
Server has now disappeared Guess ISI don't want us playing this just yet.

 

I really do hope that the turbo simulation won't be handled quite in depth as Ball Bearing Turbo's explanation was (thanks for that dude, immensely fascinating reading!), for the simple reason that the tyres are already heading towards a direction where even if they're possibly more accurate than anything before, they're also very, very hard to mod compared to the old system. It's very rare to get any really specific info on the turbos cars are equipped with, often pretty much then only thing you get from an engine that relates to modding is the power curve, so doing a turbo car realistically would become immensely difficult if you need to design the darn thing yourself to a huge extent.

Something a bit more barebones that replicates the most glaring effects of turbos while still being modder friendly would be preferable in comparison.

I would indeed like a sim that really modeled everything, from work cycles to chassis flex that's calculated from the structure of the car etc., but that'd require modders to become real automotive engineers, and that's just too much for too little gain.

 

I agree with jubuttib.
LesiU - so have you actually tried to do your own tyres and achieved the results you wanted?
I haven't tried it myself yet but I heard it's really Very complicated. It sounds to me like you think all modders need to do is read some 2 page article on tyres and voila, they mastered the tyre model. It's not like that.
And so I think that most modders will just copy existing tires on cars that don't have them in real life because they don't want to spend so much time on it

 

Right now I admit that I would rather have simpler system that allows 1000 modders to make 1000 85% realistic cars, than a complex system requiring deep knowledge that will only allow 10 modders (like you) to make 10 95% realistic cars and the remaining 990 just half realistic or copied from other mods.

I should have stated in previous post that I heard that from Niels, which is enough for me. From most modders (like me) I would not take this in account but from Niels I do. If he find it complicated, there will only be handful of modders that take advantage of this and the rest will achieve worse results than they could with simpler system ala rf1.

But it's a really really delicate subject, because at the same time I realize that if we don't move forward we'll be stuck with the same level of realism for 10 more years which doesn't sound good or logical.

Also in the end it's the same as with everything, to do something better than base level the effort needed grows exponentially.

 

Interesting discussion.

The thing about having to "mod tires" for cars (IE I always wondering what's really going on at iRacing when they "adjust the tires on a car") speaks to me that the premise is still not correct IMO. I'm not sure on the ins and outs of ISI's approach in RF2, but I know it's still fundamentally a "spreadsheet sim" although the values that go into it have an extremely high resolution and are still birthed out of a physical simulation; so the lookup table isn't nearly as limited as other applications of this. It seems to be as good or maybe even better than the realtime physical models available (LFS and NKP) from what I can tell.

Where I'm going with this is that it would be great, in the future, to have "tire sets" available so that not every mod creator has to get more in-depth with tires than they're comfortable. There's a wide range of tires around obviously, but I really think something is wrong with any sim approach if the tire model is somehow "built in" to the physics of the car. The tire code should, intrinsically, impose forces on the chassis of the car and vice versa. Those pieces of code should be simply (or not so simply as it were) communicating constantly. I'm pretty sure this is how LFS for example is designed since the general physics and the tire physics run at different frequencies in that sim (the tire loop runs more iterations/second).

I know nothing about RF2 modding and am pretty new to RF2 in general so I don't know if this is even possible with ISI's engine. But the rest of vehicular physics are rather elementary if the tires are accurate in how they behave. All you really need is a lot of data/dimensions for suspension parts, damping rates, masses etc. (which can be hard enough to get or figure out)

Likewise, if an accurate turbocharger model was created (let's hope!) then you should be able to recreate it using fairly common specifications that people use when figuring out which turbocharger to use for their application, or at least get believably close. Part of this whole discussion relies very heavily on the modding tools provided though, which ISI is hopefully going to be committed to.