If we do get stock car and some ovals, this can be all round sim! (and I can retire Nascar 2003). There are hard core SC modders around and they haven't stepped into rF2 because of contact patch, tools, and certain mod parts continually changing. I know there are those with argument concerning oval track rules and protocols, "there not in place yet so whats the point of the cars". Well you have to start somewhere. Personally I'm excited and have waited 2 or 3 years for this.