Why the teasing?

You can test drive any car in RE3 without buying.. but only on one track

 

Steam does allow refunds but not for dlc I think. Anyways it could be a possibility for rf2 to try to work with steam to allow refunds on dlcs so people could try the cars and get their money back if they don't like it.

I also think 5€ per car (where does this number even come from) is above the expectation. Iracing cars are more expensive but they do offer official series for the cars as well. In iracing when you buy a car you also buy an entry to all championships using that car. 5€ also becomes lots of money quickly once you start adding more cars and tracks. Season passes are imho horrible idea because you are essentially pre-ordering something you don't what it is or how much it is. The industry is moving away from season passes and for good reason.

Is 5€ a lot of money? No. But if one competitor is selling cars in packs 10 cars / 10€ and another one is selling cars 10€ a piece plus a series to race in then you may end up in situation where only the hardcore fans of rf2 buy the dlc content. Higher price does not always mean more profits. The higher the price the less people are buying it. Which also escalates to all future dlcs. You also need to remember that the mclaren gt3 is not a special car. Lots of other games have it too.

Some people also have some weird ideas about whose opinions matter. Dumbest thing I've ever heard is that if you don't like something you should shut up. The opinion why someone did not buy something is just as important why someone did buy something. You need to know why people are buying your content just like you want to know why some people are not buying your content so you can try to fix those issues and make more money. Every opinion needs to be judged on its merits. It will not create productive discussion if the price for example can not be discussed without being attacked for example.

 

Yes thank you I thought there was an additional way to try out cars before you buy and that was it Again another way for people to demo the content before purchase.

 

You would lose the bet since I have them all.


I don't really care about mods.
And honestly, the majority of the mods for rfactor 2 is in piss poor quality. Only the biggest fans of the game defend the state of modding in rfactor 2.

 

Interesting point of dlc for a game in an unfinished state. I've 'come from AC' mainly because I wanted to experience features that AC does not have (night/day,weather) does that make it unfinished or just feature deprived?

I would agree that AC is more polished and the quality of all their content is top notch. I was a bit surprised how much rf2 seems to rely on modded content and I sometimes struggle to know what is a good benchmark for a mod Car or Track. How much research/technical access did the modder have?

So with what looks like a move to more 'official' content coming from S397 I am all for it. Having purchased all DLC for AC in the 6 months from initial purchase I personally have no problem with the dlc model itself but that does not mean I will buy at any cost. I'm looking for value for money based on quality. As it happens GT3 and Endurance racing is my interest so this stuff will be right up my street.

I also just wanted to add that what I have experienced of selected modded content it has been exceptional and kudos to all modders that dedicate their time to create something for others to enjoy free of charge. Free content is a privilege not really a right.

Looking forward to the future of rf2. Please keep teasing away. We love it really

 

You see. This is another thing I already don't like. Why do we need a new in-game store when we already have a store?
You know buy dlc in steam store and ask a refund if you don't like it.

 

Dom mentioned on Discord that the car will be 4.99 euros.

Yes, the cars in iRacing are more expensive. In Iracing they are (about) $12, but contrary to what you suggest there is no need to buy an entry to a championship. There is no such thing. You just need the required license level and the tracks ($15 each for the road tracks) for the races you want to run. A championship is usually 12 weeks with 4 drop weeks allowed for the championship leaderboard.

 

You can ask for a refund for everything in the steam store. It's enforced by law.

 

Why would AC be unfinished when they stated what will do and what won't in the first place during the early access period? They clearly mentioned several times. No rain, no night etc...

 

Fair point, but I was being a bit tongue in cheek (hence the wink). I know AC will never get those features. I only purchased in Dec 2016 so only knew that relatively recently.

I would also be disappointed if the dlc is not available in Steam as well as any rf2 store.

 

Thanks. Nice to know where the numbers are coming from.

What I simply meant was that in iracing when you buy a car you also get an entry to the series that races those cars (included in that price). You get organized race events with the car. So when you pay 12$ (or -10/15/20/25% when you use the discounts) you get both the car and the seriess access. In ac/rf2/ams you don't get that. You need to find or create your own series if you want to race with other people. It is semantics but I think it is important to understand the nuanced differences even when buying a car for x sim. It is not the same.

It doesn't look that clear cut to me:
http://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds

 

It's simple,the cheapskates will leave and the revenue from new content will change rf2 for the better,bringing with it more than enough new or returning people to replace the cheapskates that ran off crying

 

Tell me then oh wise one how rf2 will keep its doors open,by not having paid content,and the sim not progressing because they ran out of money,unless rf2 ups its game,not a lot will be flocking to it,so the money from buying the game won't do jack shit.
Maybe just maybe if you can't afford 5euro every now and again,you really should quit rf2,or better yet,stop living beyond your mean and have a hard look at your life,in this day and age,there's a big problem in your life if you can't afford 5euro every six months or so

 

In iRacing there is also the monthly charge, which goes towards maintaining the official servers and series. So either way there is more to pay than just the car price.

Regarding DLC refunding, it says in link you quoted:

Should be pretty clear it's refundable if it counts as a normal Steam DLC.

 

Well I'm not defending rf2,I'm just pointing out how childish and cheap you are,like I said,if you can't afford 5euro every 3-6months,then you have bigger problems than worrying about a game

 

If respond to criticism with personal attacks you lose every argument.

 

Not really no, you have to pay a monthly subscribtion additionally. That is what they call their "service".
On top of that if you choose at any point not to pay that monthly sub you are not able access/drive the cars you paid for either regardless if in a competition or just doing hotlaps/testing or AI races on your own.

I am curious how people will react should they ever decide to pull the plug.

 

You need to buy the car to drive in the series. Without the car you can't drive. As such the car price is also your entry fee. The monthly fee gives you access to all the series you have content and licence for.

 

It's seems you missed something... for a lot of us, there were no impromvent at all since S397 switch, in fact it's now uplayable because of the stuttering/fullscreen problem.
I have thanks S397 for the USF and Nola that I have been able to try, but till the first dx11build (June 1), I haven't been able to use rf2, so, once again I would have appreciate S397 to fix this colossal bug that is reported everywhere on this forum, before putting their effort on their incomes...
But of course I wish them good incomes when our beloved sim will be bug free, or at least playable! No more, no less. So, please "no more attacks"!

I'll don't respond to this... as it's enough revelant of what you seems to be/do!?!

 

It's not a personal attack,it's stating the obvious,if I couldn't afford 5euro every 3-6 months I wouldn't be running my pc for any gaming.