Last line in my trace is : dynman.cpp 1048: Entered DynMan::Restart() The trace is really nondescript. Would be nice if we had more info about crashes during a beta. car loads fine on spinner, and theres no appearance texture errors in the trace. I have all instances required from the tutorial, and textures mapped correctly. ( Tripple checked ) Im guessing its a data error in my hdv or something, but theres no real indication. Can anyone suggest? The rtrainer works fine, so im confident its a vehicle issue.