[REL] Toyota GR Supra GT4 2023

vava74 said:
Donat, the sounds apparently have to be treated as "Legacy" and tuned with those sliders.
Which I assume is not how it was supposed to be, so perhaps something has been done incorrectly.
In relation to physics, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it would be helpful if you stated what is your view on the key-points that you believe are wrong and that would be constructive and allow for a debate to happen.

As an example, many criticised the Cayman's physics*, specifically the odd "hopping" under braking... which was unequivocally validated by several people who actual race Cayman's GT4s as a characteristic behaviour.

* the car is way too fast due to the S397 public tyres

With this I am not saying that your view on the Supra is wrong, just that it's always better to know what is being questioned, so others can also contribute.
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I was very specific about the physics, read again.
 
What about providing MOTEC data Donat.
You are an advanced rF2 user so you could provide more detail.
The 70Nm seems indeed odd, as the Supra GT4 uses KW Racing coilovers (pretty sure that the are these: https://www.kwsuspensions.net/racing/competition_5a/), not the street car's shocks, but those values could be a typo.
So my question is, does it behave as if the suspension is simply too soft, but in a consistent manner (ie. the issue is the values) or there is something that you can attribute to geometry?
 
vava74 said:
What about providing MOTEC data Donat.
You are an advanced rF2 user so you could provide more detail.
The 70Nm seems indeed odd, as the Supra GT4 uses KW Racing coilovers (pretty sure that the are these: https://www.kwsuspensions.net/racing/competition_5a/), not the street car's shocks, but those values could be a typo.
So my question is, does it behave as if the suspension is simply too soft, but in a consistent manner (ie. the issue is the values) or there is something that you can attribute to geometry?
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Car behaves like a 70s American land yacht. And btw you do not need a semi-competitive driver to provide Motec data lol. You'd expect the physics team to be competent enough to get it themselves. After all, April is a very good driver herself.
 
Donat said:
Car behaves like a 70s American land yacht. And btw you do not need a semi-competitive driver to provide Motec data lol. You'd expect the physics team to be competent enough to get it themselves. After all, April is a very good driver herself.
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She has been overwhelmed lately, at least, as far as I gather. Both with illness and work.
 
Donat said:
Car behaves like a 70s American land yacht. And btw you do not need a semi-competitive driver to provide Motec data lol. You'd expect the physics team to be competent enough to get it themselves. After all, April is a very good driver herself.
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I will tell you a story about making a car. sometimes there is not enough data available to make the said car so a modder has to guess what is on the car or not. as most of the companies dont want to part with data unless you pay them. So at worst the car is just a guess how it would be based on the publicly available data. And that can make making the car much harder than it really should be.

If you think you can do better you can probably disassemble the mod and start making the physics yourself. i mean its not ''that'' hard. dont be surprised though if you get people of your attitude telling you same things to yourself after you spent time handcrafting the physics.

This is the attitude that i dont like on modern simracers. they think they know it all but they should really only complain if they can do it better themself and show that they can do it. so instead of complaining you would actually help the community as a whole.

I used to have your attitude until i started modding myself and i have much more respect to the modders now than i had back then.

If youre unwilling to do better physics yourself i dont think you have any right to complain about it since youre not also paying for it in the first place. it would be a different story if it was paid mod but since it is not. people use their freetime after work and family to do these things and people like you just expect to get game studio quality out of people who do it just for fun or just for passion and they might lack the skills and data the game studios have.
 
EmperorOfFinland said:
I will tell you a story about making a car. sometimes there is not enough data available to make the said car so a modder has to guess what is on the car or not. as most of the companies dont want to part with data unless you pay them. So at worst the car is just a guess how it would be based on the publicly available data. And that can make making the car much harder than it really should be.

If you think you can do better you can probably disassemble the mod and start making the physics yourself. i mean its not ''that'' hard. dont be surprised though if you get people of your attitude telling you same things to yourself after you spent time handcrafting the physics.

This is the attitude that i dont like on modern simracers. they think they know it all but they should really only complain if they can do it better themself and show that they can do it. so instead of complaining you would actually help the community as a whole.

I used to have your attitude until i started modding myself and i have much more respect to the modders now than i had back then.

If youre unwilling to do better physics yourself i dont think you have any right to complain about it since youre not also paying for it in the first place. it would be a different story if it was paid mod but since it is not. people use their freetime after work and family to do these things and people like you just expect to get game studio quality out of people who do it just for fun or just for passion and they might lack the skills and data the game studios have.
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I used to do a bit of modding myself in the past, all personal use and honestly it was dogshit, I was never really good at it. But did I ever say I was or that I could do or am willing to do better? In fact, I actually suggested what is likely completely wrong with the physics and vaguely identified some of the handling issues, I did more than I had to. I am a user who downloaded the mod expecting at least half-decent quality, but I was rather disappointed by the mod. Why shouldn't I have right to complain about it even if I didn't pay any money for it? As I said, I am a user who downloaded the mod with intention of driving it. And the (harsh to some) reality is, the mod is far bellow standards. It is simply not a good mod and I won't just say that it is. By your logic, I too would release a garbage mod and anyone but you and a few others who mod (including the ASMG team) wouldn't be allowed to tell me that I did a shit job with it when I clearly did. Mods like this are the reason why I tend to avoid non-official content as I more often than not get disappointed. Although that's not to say that official content can't be garbage either (think AMG GT3 prior to the February 2023 update).
 
Looking forward trying the update... while the car didn't felt finish yet... it has great potential.
 
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