Thinking about rfactor 2

8Ball said:
You should build a free roam track and add walk around mode ............ :confused:

So central in the map is a burger joint, garage, car wash etc.
Around perimeter you have roads to drift, donut, play silly buggers, whatever.

Point is as a meeting place, to chat, watch people do silly things not allowed in sessions.

Just like MCO had :)
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We could all load up Mike Cantwell's 85 Bathurst and meet at the Drive In Theater. (USA name, what do other countries call them?)
@mikecantwell
 
Yeah, you can't compete with LMU, it has the package that satisfies the majority of simracers, it delivers very well.

rF2 will live to be complementary to what LMU can't do.
 
ebeninca said:
Yeah, you can't compete with LMU, it has the package that satisfies the majority of simracers, it delivers very well.

rF2 will live to be complementary to what LMU can't do.
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Considering that they are already losing car and track licenses, there will soon be nothing in rF2.
 
Last example was Silverstone if i remember well, but it still exists as workshop Item.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2894992175

Nobody seems to care about that.

And there are lots of other contents on other games ripped from any other game.

I really would like to know what are legal issues when you do these kind of rips ?

It's probably the circuit association or the "brand" that would have to express some kind of complaint and so engage legal decisions to adress to the person who made the rip/save.

Who will really care these kind of action when it's often some old version.
 
Perhaps they don't cause that much trouble. I would suppose that AC would be first one to experience actions of various parties, as it gathers 10K people on average everyday. I have not checked but I imagine AC probably has eveything from every game ever by now.
 
Silverstone and what about the Nissans, Monaco ....

p.s.

Huge difference IS in rF2 you can archive them.
As well ISI / S397 let people hack their free content and make standalone.
You can even alter DLC content as long as it's separate patch.
 
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All I can say it might be good decision financially to drop rF2. But it is bad decision spiritually for people who claim to be simracers. Are you guys nuts to simply shelve this right now, when there is nothing nearly as good ? But for each their own, plenty of guys are married to AC now, and they are unable to see any limitations.
 
Probably only mod authors care, those RIPPERS have no idea the amount sleepless days and nights that original content creators had put into, and often their would value their few "hours" or "weeks" efforts of "converting" (which really is "stealing") a mod is hard work, yet it is nothing compare to original creator's efforts that counting by "years" and sharing their work completely free.

Most probably didn't know, me and the original author have been keeping this unfortunate news in silence for a long while, as the famous and currently the only authorized 37.75 mile legendary GPL track conversion for RF2 (as you all know the full track name) was finally RIPPED to AC by the same person who RIPPED "Dundrod" (they just have to RIP everything to AC, isn't it?), this was back in August 2024. And there have been already many and many thousands of downloads to this RIPPED track, and lots of people "up voting" this poorly RIPPED AC version (could write a few pages about how many things were done wrong in the RIPPED version) and praising the RIPPER on some of the popular video site, and unsurprisingly, without any mention to the original authors or RF2 conversion.

And we were emotionally stricken by this event, at the time both of us were also working on new stuff, and questioned the meaning of modding if the original work will be RIPPED eventually, if not by day one. Imagine that original authors who already spent many years exhaustively producing a mod, yet they also have to go through and deal with all the RIPPING non-sense, and finally those RIPPERS would even bash and falsely accuse the original author for not allowing him to convert (RIP) a mod that is "FREE", and even calling the original author shameless. It is unthinkable, but that was what we had experienced with those RIPPERs. But how many normal players would care, for example, avoid playing those RIPPED versions or even stand up against them. And do original content creators deserve this after all the work done? It's irony that we create and share free mods, yet also has to discuss the possibility to "encrypt" our future mods to protect the hard work, and yet those RIPPERs may still find ways to crack the encryption and steal it. It's probably only the original mod author who would swallow all those crap, and time to move on.
 
Do i misunderstand something?
Silverstone and Monaco (ePrix, right?) are right.
But i doubt that all Content will disappear one after the other, like it sounded in the Post from @Ayrton de Lima .

8Ball said:
Silverstone and what about the Nissans, Monaco ....
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Which Nissans exactly?
I have
Nissan_370z_2012 3.16/3.17
Nissan_GT500_2013 2.20
Nissan_GTR_2011 2.0

davehenrie said:
2018 Le Mans & the two Ferrari 488 GTs
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I have
LeMans_2018 2.82/2.83
and
Ferrari_488_GT3_2020 3.60/3.61
Ferrari_488_GTE_2020 3.16/3.17
 
@8Ball Due to a corrupted SSD, i had to make a fresh Install at 14.09.2024 and i got everything that i had before, because i was subscribed to it.

So i guess it only affects the Users that buy the Game now.

But as long as you can get everything in the Steam Workshop, it should be no Problem. :)
 
svictor said:
Probably only mod authors care, those RIPPERS have no idea the amount sleepless days and nights that original content creators had put into, and often their would value their few "hours" or "weeks" efforts of "converting" (which really is "stealing") a mod is hard work, yet it is nothing compare to original creator's efforts that counting by "years" and sharing their work completely free.

Most probably didn't know, me and the original author have been keeping this unfortunate news in silence for a long while, as the famous and currently the only authorized 37.75 mile legendary GPL track conversion for RF2 (as you all know the full track name) was finally RIPPED to AC by the same person who RIPPED "Dundrod" (they just have to RIP everything to AC, isn't it?), this was back in August 2024. And there have been already many and many thousands of downloads to this RIPPED track, and lots of people "up voting" this poorly RIPPED AC version (could write a few pages about how many things were done wrong in the RIPPED version) and praising the RIPPER on some of the popular video site, and unsurprisingly, without any mention to the original authors or RF2 conversion.

And we were emotionally stricken by this event, at the time both of us were also working on new stuff, and questioned the meaning of modding if the original work will be RIPPED eventually, if not by day one. Imagine that original authors who already spent many years exhaustively producing a mod, yet they also have to go through and deal with all the RIPPING non-sense, and finally those RIPPERS would even bash and falsely accuse the original author for not allowing him to convert (RIP) a mod that is "FREE", and even calling the original author shameless. It is unthinkable, but that was what we had experienced with those RIPPERs. But how many normal players would care, for example, avoid playing those RIPPED versions or even stand up against them. And do original content creators deserve this after all the work done? It's irony that we create and share free mods, yet also has to discuss the possibility to "encrypt" our future mods to protect the hard work, and yet those RIPPERs may still find ways to crack the encryption and steal it. It's probably only the original mod author who would swallow all those crap, and time to move on.
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In his own way, the original author of the mod is also stealing, he has built a car without asking permission from the brand, without paying for the license. (I speak in general)

I understand that the creator of the mod has put a lot of work into its creation to bring it to rF2 and another simply converts it for AC, automobilista, lfs... but his work does not disappear from rf2 when it is ripped, nobody profits from his work, you will have the same downloads if your work is ported to another game. Your work remains intact in the place where it was created.

Over time we have seen how video game developers use another name for their track or car to avoid paying for their license. Is this stealing?

On the other hand, I see a problem when a developer like s397 spends his money on buying a license and the next day it is in the competition's simulator at zero cost, for me this should be pursued.
 
@FAlonso I bet you have never made anything ?

Some people puts their heart and soul into things they do. If you download and use such content for free it does not make any less valuable than content which you spend money for.

If you want to get good things - respect people who gives you good things. If you want no good things, rave about mediocore things, and ignore, deny good stuff. Simple. On the later, you might be as well sabotaging your sim.

If you see someone did port something in "street smart way". At least be respectable person and know origins, understand how much work there was originally and admit if person who ported/modified the content can be respected for the effort, or is he an idiot who should have never done that.

Also if you don't see a difference between great stuff, and mediocore stuff. Then I am questioning your intelligence, and sometimes morality too depending on situation. I SEE YA, you know who you are.
 
mantasisg said:
@FAlonso I bet you have never made anything ?
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That's right, I never did anything, the closest I've ever been to creating a mod was when I made a drawing for a meme in which I put my signature, it went viral, it's still used but obviously without using my signature that was embedded within the drawing. They edited it to remove my signature.

My work cost me 15 minutes, it's not comparable to your work, but I want to say that it never bothered me, I'm proud that my work is usable by other people, it would have bothered me if I expected to make money off my work and they would have harmed me by copying my work. Personally, if I had made a model for AC and found it in rF2, I don't think I would be bothered if other people enjoyed it in another simulator.

You are right about my morals, I have benefited all my life from the work of others, I have used pirated software, I have seen pirated movies or football, I have listened to pirated music discs, in fact, speaking of simracing I have removed the water drop from protected images to create my skins. Yes, my morals are very questionable, I guess yours aren't.
 
redapg said:
@8Ball Due to a corrupted SSD, i had to make a fresh Install at 14.09.2024 and i got everything that i had before, because i was subscribed to it.

So i guess it only affects the Users that buy the Game now.

But as long as you can get everything in the Steam Workshop, it should be no Problem. :)
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Just wondering why that Nissan update is not in workshop?
ISI made it clear they had no issues with people updating content.
So much could be done, Cobra upgrades and update would be nice.
No permissions needed.

Yeah only thing you can't get is Monaco FE.

Is 13 years, 95% will never be updated.
Time to archive the lot ;)
 
8Ball said:
Just wondering why that Nissan update is not in workshop?
ISI made it clear they had no issues with people updating content.
So much could be done, Cobra upgrades and update would be nice.
No permissions needed.

Yeah only thing you can't get is Monaco FE.

Is 13 years, 95% will never be updated.
Time to archive the lot ;)
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You're the archive.org of rF2 :D
 
To me huge boost why rF2 stayed THE SIM for me was the releases of @svictor content and the nuance that I have been working on ton of interesting cars physics for 1950s and 1960s packs. Svictor also showed and proved that there is a way to get high quality stuff to rF2 without using 3DSMax.

rF2 could use anything, as long as it is decent quality. That is how I see things in 2025. This is a good simulation software, and plenty of new good quality content is not impossible to have. As long as there is a community willing to do that - that is the hard part. Rippers are usually harming creative communities. They can technically produce loads of content in short amount of time, and even faster if they adjust to low standards of average mods downloader five minutes try-out guy. My suggestion to guys who rip stuff is - change your game. Instead of porting five cars/tracks. Do one or two, but well. And try reaching out original creator, especially if he is still active, if he is not, then maybe he will not care anymore. Other than that, it does look like "having models from a friend" is normal ever since AcTrackRebootProject and Bazzas packs went big.

FAlonso said:
Personally, if I had made a model for AC and found it in rF2, I don't think I would be bothered if other people enjoyed it in another simulator.
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Same here. But it is easy to reach me. I am very communicative. In fact, I want communication. This is why I am even here. Why not just talk to me and ask things ? Afraid to get a no as an answer ? Rightfully so if I will ask to give my work a proper treatment, and you can't. And you don't want to. Why to advocate low effort and low quality content ? You don't want good things ?

As you can see I am putting focus on quality.

Also please stop talking about pirating. It is different thing. What we talk about is capturing things from your friends without asking and without saying thanks, that is all. And then butchering its quality... but you don't experience quality when you have to work to get through 5 different mods per day, don't you.
 
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