The Unrealistically Difficult Real Cars Handling Thread... or just incorrect real life physics

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  1. mantasisg

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    Spinning out at just bellow 60 mph with such a light car as 1996 Caterham Super Seven 1600 K-series Supersport. It is wrong, it should be impossible to oversteer with it at such a low speed in true reality regardless the driver inputs. At worst it should understeer because it is front engine layout car !!!

     
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    Here is one little funny video. You can se real life sucks. Tankslappers ? Lift off oversteer ? Theoretically shouldn't happen. In simulation we can go fully theoretic, thus we can not have tankslappers and lift off oversteer, thats why simulation is better than real life. Why would one want to simulate reality when we an do better ?



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    Blatant cheating and understeer-exploit
     
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    Ban him from the servers .
     
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    OMG they look so difficult to drive ! So not user friendly, realistic doesn't mean hard, reality does real wrong.
     
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    I think a lot of the issues brought up here could be solved simply by Studio 397 or ISI in the begining had created a tyre shop for want of a better term, that everyone who makes mod had to submit a tyre file that needed to be approved by them to be used on the sim. And if you were building a car you could reference any tyre form that store or shop to use on your car when it is released after building the mod you want to use. Just my view but real world tyres do not start with zero to low grip and you have to learn to manage them or cope with them, at speed you loose grip but up to a point the car is able to grip the road. I know I suggested this back in the early stages of testing but was obviuosly not an idea that was though to be a good one, but it would measn that cars would be more consistant and reflect real world performances in regards to how cars drive. And it would enable anyone to test any tyre on any car and see what it does instead of having to modify mods to try different components like tyres.
     
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    This thread is an ironic one, showcasing real life situations that people would probably call fake if it happened in a sim.

    There is a tyre database, those tyres can (perhaps it's not ideal, but...) be used for a variety of purposes by resizing them easily in the .tgm.

    I don't think we have a plethora of mods with dodgy tyres; much of the physics-related discussions are about the game as a whole, or DLC or other official content (having the same basic characteristics as those in the tyre database) and the way they behave, but much of the complaining about them isn't really based on anything concrete and can be dismissed. The remainder tends to be more about aero, or incorrect/insufficient tyre parameters.

    If you think the tyres overall, or even some mods, have issues you should probably aim for one of the physics related threads rather than this one.
     
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    I think the Nürburgring acccidents are interesting, as in many of the accidents are such that I've never seen or experienced in any sim.

    Like the Porsche crashing coming into Schwedenkreutz. I've tried to recreate that accident in rF2, AMS2 and AC. Not the exact same car, but still. Trying to lift off and tap on the brakes at the right moment, and I haven't managed to spin out and crash. That includes the RUF CTR2 in AC, and that car wants to kill you if you breathe wrong.

    While the dynamic of sliding and suddenly gripping can throw you off, it's a lot more violent in real life. If you stay on the throttle with the wheels pointed in the wrong direction, you can almost save it in a sim. In reality you'd apparently send the car bouncing between guardrails.

    This actually bothers me a bit, when bad driving isn't punished enough. I don't like having bad habits drilled into muscle memory when driving.
     
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    You can't recreate lack of skill. You can guess how the driver ended in that situation, but you can't know how the external forces and sensations induced the driver in inputting the wrong corrections at the wrong time once the macro upsetting of the car took place.
    You can induce one or two or three wrong input in your simulated car, but then your training prevent you to keep "3$£ucking up" until the crash, but this is exactly what happen in R/L to sunday drivers.
     
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    The Nurburgring is clearly broken.
     
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    The Nordschleife video in some of those episodes displays insanely sudden grip-up, especially for race cars when they goes off the rails. I have heard somewhere that Nordschleife has rougher tarmac to help with more traction under rain. Tarmac roughness is a factor which contributes a lot to how tires slide and grip-up. Obviously rougher tarmac is a choice by design for more safety in wet, but in dry it shows to be causing more challenge, IMO. Other factors are of course tires, aerodynamics, suspension and chassis stiffness... That just makes me appreciate the very top drivers so much, as they are able to put cars into so much risk and keep the control. Knowledge about how bad these things can go makes great drivers really shine.
     
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    It would be very interesting to know which sections are made that way to see if it´s implemented in our official version.
     
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    Car would never spin out that easily, even when decelerating over a crest. Hard to tell wether it's the tire model at fault or maybe the downforce of the rear wing has incorrect values ;). (1:22)
     
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