Simbin sending warnings to Sim racing community sites

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Guy Moulton, Aug 17, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. MarcG

    MarcG Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2010
    Messages:
    6,487
    Likes Received:
    1,833
    just sounds like a mass e-mail sent to all sites, SimBin are well within their right, mass overreaction by the OP!
     
  2. Mario Morais

    Mario Morais Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2010
    Messages:
    1,464
    Likes Received:
    168
    true :)
    Maybe may be afraid that the comunity mods is better that your own game!
     
  3. SPASKIS

    SPASKIS Registered

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2011
    Messages:
    3,155
    Likes Received:
    1,420
    If our community had received an email from simbin with that kind of aggressive message we would for certain boycott and negatively talk about them.

    They have their business model and they are free to defend it and protect it the way they want. However they should directly pursue the modders who use illegal content if they do with lucrative intentions.

    For me it is the shame as if you are wearing a fake Rolex or if you are selling or producing them. Would you imagine Rolex denouncing the people wearing a fake one?

    Enviado desde mi GT-I9505 usando Tapatalk 2
     
  4. DrR1pper

    DrR1pper Registered

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2012
    Messages:
    3,286
    Likes Received:
    27
    But again, if these websites do not host simbin's illegally used content, no matter how threatening the email may sound, it's irrelevant. They need only ignore it and life goes on. Why the big fuss over an email that also by Guy's own volition holds no weight? I don't get it.

    If it went as far as they managed (somehow) to take down perfectly legit mod site(s) that as you say is/are infamous for not allowing illegal mods to be hosted on their sites, only then is it worth getting all riled up.

    If i owned the rights to materials that i did not want to be used without my permission as it's a source of income, then i too would be acting somewhat like simbim.

    Yes, i would try my best to go after the source of the problem (the mod creator who ripped the content) but regardless of whether i did that or not, i would also persue any means to try and ensure that all content is removed from any possible sites which would be in the form of a mass email. Why? Because it's a much surer way of telling everyone who might be hosting my illegal content that i wish it be removed. For those whom it is of no concern to, they can/will simply ignore it.

    If you have a copy of this mass email so we could see how threatening it is for ourselves as i agree that it should not be nasty (but i don't know the severity because i haven't read it).
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 18, 2013
  5. TTupsi

    TTupsi Registered

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2012
    Messages:
    114
    Likes Received:
    0
    Anyone care to paste this threatening warning here?
     
  6. Nazirull Safry Paijo

    Nazirull Safry Paijo Registered

    Joined:
    May 28, 2011
    Messages:
    1,417
    Likes Received:
    35
    just ignore them.
     
  7. Prodigy

    Prodigy Registered

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2012
    Messages:
    946
    Likes Received:
    59
    Haven't they wrote an big notice letter to racing communities right after "project Nordschleife" was closed? It was pretty clear what they allow modders to and what not..
     
  8. WiZPER

    WiZPER Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2010
    Messages:
    1,518
    Likes Received:
    185
    If the OP was'nt involved in illegal conversions himself, I might be able to take this "announcement" serious - to me this seems very biased and unconfirmed even ?

    I'm staying away from Simbin products, simply because they are not for me any more...
     
  9. John

    John Registered

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2010
    Messages:
    1,085
    Likes Received:
    113
    As a moderator on one of the sites that received direct contact, all I will say is : 5 years ago, they had a point. Now though, nada. Nobody is converting Simbin content anymore. They haven't produced anything anyone wants for a long time, and the stuff getting converted isn't even made for the PC platform.

    How old is the stuff that is still used, GTL, GTR2 & GTR Evo, all of which was converted to rFactor years ago now, so that horse bolted a long time ago and there is no point trying to close the gate now. Reality.
     
  10. Denstjiro

    Denstjiro Registered

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2010
    Messages:
    2,952
    Likes Received:
    13
    i'm so confused right now :p


    John, can you maybe shed a light on these hideous and intimidating treats? because so far there is nothing at all yet we are summoned to boycott simbin.
     
  11. Minibull

    Minibull Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2012
    Messages:
    1,557
    Likes Received:
    18
    Like a chocolate bar with a razor blade in it...or a week long holiday to the graveyard...
     
  12. Led566

    Led566 Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2012
    Messages:
    358
    Likes Received:
    24
    What about the Historix mod? It does even have a GTLegends DVD check...
    There are dozens of leagues actually using it.
    And even worse: Will it ever made through to rF2?
     
  13. John

    John Registered

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2010
    Messages:
    1,085
    Likes Received:
    113
    I don't have any personal issue with their request, and the email contact isn't something worth sharing to the public. It wasn't much chop for us as far as we care to elaborate on. Confidentiality.

    As for boycotting, well that is not for me to say. I already purchased all their content up to the RRE "demo" stuff their peddling now - the idea I presume Simbin have is to sell individual cars & tracks for small amounts which in reality means each customer pays a vastly greater amount more than a traditional game like GTR2 was. In theory. Obviously their forward projections are based on the number of previous unique customers which they would calculate from not only sales figures of GTR2 but also Steam data for the Race07 games and DLC's.

    This is of course based on conjecture, nothing more.

    Simbin has been fortunate to have received a lot of good will from the sim community based on their historical origin as a mod group, however that was a long time ago, and much water has flowed under that bridge and Simbin no longer resembles that original mod group. They are a corporate entity whose sole reason for being is to gouge as much profit from their customers that they can. Fair enough, we just need to face facts and accept the reality at face value.

    Boycott if you wish, but getting an entire community to boycott one developer is a ridiculous proposition. The biggest gouger of money is iRacing, and their hardly being boycotted by the community.
     
  14. WiZPER

    WiZPER Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2010
    Messages:
    1,518
    Likes Received:
    185
    People need to realize that simracing as a whole consists of several communities, not just one - each have their favorites, very naturally.
     
  15. Denstjiro

    Denstjiro Registered

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2010
    Messages:
    2,952
    Likes Received:
    13
    Indeed, and I wasn't planning on doing so. not a personal army...
     
  16. David Wright 67

    David Wright 67 Registered

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2012
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    1
    So are ISI happy for the licensed content in rF2 to be converted to other games? Will iRacing and Kunos allow conversions of their laser scanned tracks?
     
  17. Bart S

    Bart S Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2010
    Messages:
    826
    Likes Received:
    84
    AAAAwwww I felt that between the legs, good for us bad for sim makers.

    Perhaps they can all agree to share, as in...
    "You let us have that one and you can have this one."
     
  18. K Szczech

    K Szczech Registered

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2010
    Messages:
    1,720
    Likes Received:
    45
    They protect their content pretty well, even preventing capture from DirectX.
    This means they don't have to take any other actions against illegal conversions, so no one hates them for that :)
    iRacing content stays with iRacing and that's it. Good for them.


    As for this topic in general - thanks, but no thanks. I'll choose whom I boycott myself. If someone else has a problem with certain game developer, it's his problem, not mine.

    SimBin may have started as modding group, but now it's a full-time job for them. It's no longer a hobby they do in after hours - it's something that has to give them profits, otherwise they would have quit doing it and find themselves other jobs. Money gives them ability for licensing, collecting data, surveying famous tracks, etc.
    It's a value we all should pay for if we want to use it.

    Those complaining about such state of things are usually those who fail to comprehend that.



    EDIT after a while: (some other thoughts on my mind: :) )

    You know, as soon as Game Stock Car was released, it's entire content (all cars and tracks) were converted straight into rFactor. Perhaps one should stop for a moment and wonder what kind of damage can this "community" do to game developers sometimes.
    When I found out about this converted GSC package, I spoke against it on our racing portal and even the person who found it on the net agreed. We never spoke of it again.

    It kinda breaks your heart when you see young, emerging companies like Reiza being hurt at the very beginning of their journey. Studios with more history can take it, perhaps, but it's not like their financial abilities are unlimited (and yet, people sometimes act as if this is the case - complete lack of imagination in my opinion).

    I will admit having some converted content myself, but I bought GTL, GTR2 and Race07 - games from where that content comes from. I haven't even installed Race07 for a long time after buying it, but I wanted to honor creators of the content I'm using personally. Not perfectly legal perhaps, but it's what I consider a fair use.

    What I don't get, is when people do use converted content, but not only don't feel obligated to somehow compensate authors, but go further and justify themselves, saying that SimBin "owes something to the community" or other c**p like that.

    Now go back to that ripped content from GSC I mentioned above - does Reiza owe us all their hard work for free? Do they really?
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 19, 2013
  19. tjc

    tjc Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2012
    Messages:
    5,825
    Likes Received:
    319
    Excellent post K Szczech... sums it all up very nicely for me. :)
     
  20. WiZPER

    WiZPER Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2010
    Messages:
    1,518
    Likes Received:
    185
    Brilliant writeup, K Szczech - you nailed it pretty good there.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page