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Does it really only affect some or these people dont know what to look for. Or even they think it feels OK like old isi cars.

Apart from strength, smoothness. I don't believe ffb can change that much ie;missing a whole force... from one wheel to another. Just don't buy that bs at all!
 
Does it really only affect some or these people dont know what to look for. Or even they think it feels OK like old isi cars.

Apart from strength, smoothness. I don't believe ffb can change that much ie;missing a whole force... from one wheel to another. Just don't buy that bs at all!

I know it has been discussed a lot, but it would be enough for a person like M. Borda of S397 to tell us what he thinks about it, if they have investigated.
 
Or maybe "these people" can accept that all cars not
having the FFB feeling the same way.
Maybe "other people" think it's not okay.
Who is wrong?
Endless discussion.
 
Does it really only affect some or these people dont know what to look for. Or even they think it feels OK like old isi cars.

Apart from strength, smoothness. I don't believe ffb can change that much ie;missing a whole force... from one wheel to another. Just don't buy that bs at all!
Many people said they don't have this FFB become weak while turning. What's weird even people with the same wheels have different FFB experiences with the Merc AMG. For instance for me FFB goes light but other T300 user said it's fine. Some even say it has the best FFB. It's easy to verify by comparing telemetry FFB channel ( I posted in the thread my comparison: Corvettte vs Merc and issue is clear).
 
Many people said they don't have this FFB become weak while turning. What's weird even people with the same wheels have different FFB experiences with the Merc AMG. For instance for me FFB goes light but other T300 user said it's fine. Some even say it has the best FFB. It's easy to verify by comparing telemetry FFB channel ( I posted in the thread my comparison: Corvettte vs Merc and issue is clear).
When some people complain about FFB going light and some say it's fine, it doesn't necessarily mean that only the people complaining has this effect. The other people might have the same ffb, but just find the"ffb going light" to not be a problem, or they might like it.

Who likes it and who don't is one thing, but whether or not it is realistic to have this effect is another. At least i was convinced by the arguments that it would be realistic to have it with cars with certain kind of steering/suspension geometries.
 
When some people complain about FFB going light and some say it's fine, it doesn't necessarily mean that only the people complaining has this effect. The other people might have the same ffb, but just find the"ffb going light" to not be a problem, or they might like it.
I'm aware of that but, I thought it's mostly not the case. However, I admit it's weird that people with the same wheel give different reports. Again good way to determine is to compare is FFB telemetry of the Merc with people who claim FFB is OK.
 
To try to make a time line of rf2 tyres is like try to make the same with the human race, there is no line, it's like a tree.

There were so so many changes on the tyres that's difficult to make a list. Since CPM tires were introduced there has been several changes. You have the early ones, then the ones at the DW12, later some variables were added, the important CAP changed all again and finally the lattest QSA and more variables.

Since build 1110 ttool gives a different lookup table result than in previous versions if you run a complete test. That's because a correction made to sort an old mis calculation.

About FFB in relation with the tyres, you have to see the contact surface. The old non CPM had a big and square surface, it gave a strong force all the time, but there were few sensations. Then with the first CPM tyres the contact patch become a lot more narrow, more sensations but less force, so the force was increased through the HDV. Later the pressure on the patch increased with CAP and with the change since build 1110 making the tyre carcas more stiff.

Latest tyres have a lot more base grip, more stiffness but they have micro loss of grip to bring more feedback.

You can't put a newest tyre on a car developed for an old versión of tyre, you have to change many things on the rest of the car or the result will be crap.

This is the story of rf2, an endless bunch of changes, poorly and outdated documentation, tyre examples unfinished etc etc that make it really frustrating to work with.

That all seems to make too much sense. S397 simply screwed the pooch trying to fix a few existing problems without a clue of how the actual physics work, I suspect due to a total misunderstanding of thermodynamics. Not sure who's writing their requirements but its pretty clear they're lacking any sort of understanding of tire physics. Back when Gjon Camaj was running the show they actually got out to the tracks and paid attention to the experts. I miss those days.
 
but its pretty clear they're lacking any sort of understanding of tire physics. Back when Gjon Camaj was running the show they actually got out to the tracks and paid attention to the experts.
That seems too harsh. It's true Michael Borda admitted some flaw in so called QSA of CPM after they got real detailed data from manufacturers. But my understanding is that after that we've seen iterative improvement, a evolution rather than revolution in tire model. I believe CPM is quite complex and different from other implementations so it wasn't fine tuned from the begging.
 
That seems too harsh. It's true Michael Borda admitted some flaw in so called QSA of CPM after they got real detailed data from manufacturers. But my understanding is that after that we've seen iterative improvement, a evolution rather than revolution in tire model. I believe CPM is quite complex and different from other implementations so it wasn't fine tuned from the begging.

It may seem a bit harsh but then again so are the obvious flaws in thermodynamics and the effects the changes have had on existing mods. Take the Dallara Indycar for example; driven anywhere near the level they see in real life and the tires are in meltdown stage by the second lap at most tracks. Its one thing to go back and correct with open files, but for those who race online results in mismatches etc. Never mind the mods with locked files.
 
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