[RELEASE] Nordschleife Tourist v1.65 beta

Justy said:
I'm sorry, but given the amount of time, effort and passion Pleclair clearly put into this project. Comments like these seem really uncalled for. Correct me if I'm wrong, but DJC and Tosch would have had nothing to update in the first place, if it weren't for him. C'mon gents, credit where credits due and all that jazz. :)

Anyway, thankyou @DJC and @Tosch for all your efforts working your magic on the mighty Green Hell. Very much looking forward to driving it again.

Cheers
Justin
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+1 on this, I would like to once again thank Pierre for all of his work on this project!
Thanks to Tosch and DJC for working to get it up to the 64 bit standard!
 
I meant no offense towards Pleclair. I am probably his biggest proponent here. The point being he wanted the curbs and so an alternative version with nothing but curbs would be amusing to drive on.
 
pleclair said:
Well... I think it's time for me to move on...

It really pains me, I have worked so damn hard in the past few months since I came back... for what? Not much... sure I did get some good comments about the recent changes, but a lot are unhappy about the kerbstones, and now, the tarmac isnt pleasing everyone or so it seems.. I keep on hearing people still using the 0.97n version...

So I guess I will stop there, and let you use whatever version you wish.

I can't remember who, but someone mentioned X-Motor Racing last week, and I had given it a try, and althought I didn't liked what I initially saw, there was only 1 car/1 track, hard to judge a software with seeing so little. The person assured me it was better than it looked in the demo. The features list seemed interesting enough.

This morning, after checking out the thread here for the X times, without any new things added, I emailed the guy behind XMR and asked him if he would grant me a license to XMR in exchange of Nord. He was kind enough to agree, so I will start the work soon on it. I feel I might have more appreciation over there than I get now.

I understand I cannot please everyone, but honestly, it's painful to put in as much as 15 hours per day and all I hear is complaints. When I had complaints before, I didn't mind so much, because I knew I was mostly wrong.

But with the 1.50-1.65 updates, only the kerbstones could have deserved a thumbs down... people talking about color balance and stuff, I didnt changed any grass textures, they are probably only mapped a little different size, that is all... and are 2k instead of 4k... I havent touched the color... so it could as well come from the new HDR code. Anyway...

So what do you want me to do, you guys are saying you prefer a version that I made a while ago... and I won't continue to involve my full self to make only a handful happy.

Since I don't do this for money, I must do it for a reason, and this reason is appreciation. And I havent gotten much for the 1.65 update which, to my taste, is the best release I ever made. So pick whatever version you enjoy the most and... well nothing! Race it!

On a side note, we had a little financial break with the tax return, but its already long gone, not that it was that much. But we have so little anyway. I never asked for donations, other than when I needed to buy something to move forward and I couldnt. I always have been very grateful to everything you sent me.

I haven't made millions, nor thousands either.. I have gotten a new mb, cpu, ram, and I was able to buy the textures I used along with the scripts, plugins as well.. I never profited from any of this. Since my come back at 1.5, I have received 2 donations. 1 for the 1.5 update, and another from a different person for the 1.6 update... that is all. As I said, I'm not expecting much, but I dunno... before I was used to get at least 1 every week or two, enough to keep me going when the going get tougher... I have moved Nord forward like 5x in between the 0.97n and 1.65... in my book. So much as changed, I nearly touched and redone most things.

Anyway, I'm not complaining, I just find it hard to accept.

If anything, out of this, I wanted to get a job somewhere. Ideally for ISI, but I don't think it will ever happen anyway. I know I'm not the most social person in real life, when I can't think before speaking, so I would perform best in a dungeon, locked away from others, like Steve Jobs did at Atari I believe? I relate quite a bit to that guy actually, even tho I'm not really an Apple fan.

So if you are curious to see how it goes on XMR, feel free to come over! I'm out guys, it's been mostly an awesomely fun run, except for the past few weeks.
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Oh dear, certainly the community most arrogance and ungrateful of all.
 
pay2021 said:
Sorry for my english.

"La comunidad mas arrogante y desagradecida de todas" is that right?

"The most arrogant and ungrateful community all". ?
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Now it is clear :)
I wasn't sure if you referred to the community itself or to preclair being the most arrogant in the community.
I agree that some people are very selfish in this community but I don't think it represents the community overall.
 
SPASKIS said:
Now it is clear :)
I wasn't sure if you referred to the community itself or to preclair being the most arrogant in the community.
I agree that some people are very selfish in this community but I don't think it represents the community overall.
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Oh no, i just have gratitude to pleclair.
About the community i use to think like you but with the time i start to think like i say :(
 
The more I think about it, the more I feel that Pleclair overreacted. This is not meant as disrespect towards him, mind you.

I mean what did he expect..? For everyone to be completely happy with every little detail on every version he released?
His work was very, very good, way beyond good actually, and the fact that he actually succeeded in bringing us the Nordschleife is mind baffling.
Truly a astonishing feat.

He is dreaming though, if he thinks another community will react differently to his work than we did.
But it guess it just went sour for him at the end. I know the feeling, and it's easier to just give up and go away, for sure.

It's a shame though. Don't know how much luck that AC project will bring him, when he can't even be allowed to post on the official forum.
I don't think many people are aware of his blog. Hmm...

This community is for the most part one of a kind imo, in a very positive sense.
"Ungrateful and arrogant"? No way, only a select few people, who fortunately don't have much of a say in anything anyway.
 
hexagramme, i dont think he overreacted, i think he was sincere, i cant imagine how much work demand such a big project.
Also i dont talk exclusively of rf2 community i talk about the sim racer community, of course in AC or XMR he gonna have the same treatment like here, and please dont feel touch, you are one of the 10, 15 members i can count has kind and positive.
 
From day one I felt he acted erratic, overreacting.
I, myself never commented about tarmac or colours in general. The only thing I've commented negatively about this track was the (still silly) kerbstones.
I loved his smoothing of the mesh. Both on and off the track, actually perhaps mostly off track - it had some really sharp edges - and I let him know that as well - that I loved that.

To me, it seemed as he focused waaaay too much on the negative feedback. It's almost like he didn't expect any negative feedback. If you can't handle negative feedback, modding or working on a simulation might not be the right thing for you. Opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one and they're not all similar nor positive all the time.

This community is not arrogant, it's not ungrateful in my opinion either.

I'm just happy someone else (thanks Tosch and DJC) stepped up and I hope they will continue the improvement of the experience - including getting rid of those kerbstones :D

hexagramme said:
The more I think about it, the more I feel that Pleclair overreacted. This is not meant as disrespect towards him, mind you.

I mean what did he expect..? For everyone to be completely happy with every little detail on every version he released?
His work was very, very good, way beyond good actually, and the fact that he actually succeeded in bringing us the Nordschleife is mind baffling.
Truly a astonishing feat.

He is dreaming though, if he thinks another community will react differently to his work than we did.
But it guess it just went sour for him at the end. I know the feeling, and it's easier to just give up and go away, for sure.

It's a shame though. Don't know how much luck that AC project will bring him, when he can't even be allowed to post on the official forum.
I don't think many people are aware of his blog. Hmm...

This community is for the most part one of a kind imo, in a very positive sense.
"Ungrateful and arrogant"? No way, only a select few people, who fortunately don't have much of a say in anything anyway.
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i dont know, but i feel i can safely guess it was just the obsessive need to fiddle & tinker with a project as big as that was & as dedicated as he apparently was to it.
 
Let's not overlook that the Ring conversion was Pleclair's personal project. He didn't ask for money or anything. He took in constructive feedback the vast majority of the time. It didn't end well with some entitlement going around but it was always a conversion with improvements (to the best of his ability) to work on rF2. Some people donated out of their will, it was never demanded but just an expression of how strongly they felt about this track.
 
pay2021 said:
hexagramme, i dont think he overreacted, i think he was sincere, i cant imagine how much work demand such a big project.
Also i dont talk exclusively of rf2 community i talk about the sim racer community, of course in AC or XMR he gonna have the same treatment like here, and please dont feel touch, you are one of the 10, 15 members i can count has kind and positive.
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I also felt he was very sincere, at all times, which is probably also why he gathered quite a large following.
"Overreaction" might be too strong a word, he just reacted as per how he felt. But it was sad that the negative stuff made him leave, for sure.

Oh well, doesn't matter.
The important thing is that the development is ongoing, and our two guys are doing such a stellar job. :)
 
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