Exactly and given that each developer will have taken different approaches to modeling the physics in game AND then how these physics are transmitted through the steering wheel (of which there are many being used in a variety of applications) it's unfair to start slagging off the physics engine because you disagree with what does or does not feel right. In reality you feel nothing more than a heavily dampened feedback of the front tyre's adhesion or slip on the road through the wheel. Anything you feel with the rear end is entirely to do with your body sensing the yaw-moment being created by the car rotating about the vertical axis. In a simulator you're simply extrapolating what you have felt in the real car to what "should" be there in the simulator. However, given that each individual has entirely different perceptions of what is or what isn't happening in the real world (else we would all be super quick behind the wheel when we are in fact, not) you cannot realistically expect a single development team to be able to accurately attain the best results for any given car. In reality,for that to be even near the case would require a separate physics engine for each individual model and the sim would be enormous! To summarise: 1. You have a single physics engine doing the work for (at the moment) half a dozen types of car each with entirely different characteristics 2. Said physics engine must also remain open and usable enough for independent 3rd part mod groups to develop physics for 3. There is no universal interaction between user and software around the world and therefore no two user's experiences are realistically comparable to any finite degree beyond basic conjecture 4. Dismissing the physics engine as "wrong" is not just rude but also ignorant of the wider picture 5. Arguing against those dismissing the physics engine does not make you a "fan boy" 6. Openly dismissing a physics engine as "wrong" insinuates one's fanboy status lies elsewhere 7. If you think you know it all, write to ISI with the answers instead of parading round a forum claiming you know it all I anticipate the inevitable sarcastic and trolling replies typical of such a forum however I am done with this thread.