Random crashing while driving after upgrading my processor, ram and motherboard.

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Dean Hayes

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I updated my processor, ram and motherboard about 2 months ago and ever since I've had random crashing while driving official content. Before upgrading my pc rf2 was always pretty stable for me and was always my favourite sim to play. Before it crashes everything is 100% smooth then I get a little stutter then crash to desktop. Old specs were a Intel 9700K, DDR4 3200mhz ram and Asus Z390 Hero motherboard. New specs are 14900K, DDR5 60000mhz ram with Asus Z790 Hero motherboard with latest 2801 bios. Graphics card had been a RTX3080ti with both setups. Tried verifying files through Steam, made sure no plugins were running and have even reinstalled Windows 10. Really not sure why this is happening as every other game other than Le Mans Ultimate is fine. Le Mans Ultimate was also fine before upgrading but since it's still in early access I guess I can't expect it to be problem free. Any help on this would be appreciated.
 
Dean Hayes said:
I updated my processor, ram and motherboard about 2 months ago and ever since I've had random crashing while driving official content. Before upgrading my pc rf2 was always pretty stable for me and was always my favourite sim to play. Before it crashes everything is 100% smooth then I get a little stutter then crash to desktop. Old specs were an Intel 9700K, DDR4 3200mhz ram and Asus Z390 Hero motherboard. New specs are 14900K, DDR5 60000mhz ram with Asus Z790 Hero motherboard with latest 2801 bios. Graphics card had been a RTX3080ti with both setups. Tried verifying files through Steam, made sure no plugins were running and have even reinstalled Windows 10. Really not sure why this is happening as every other game other than Le Mans Ultimate is fine. Le Mans Ultimate was also fine before upgrading but since it's still in early access I guess I can't expect it to be problem free. Any help on this would be appreciated.
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I imagine 60000MHz ram could be a little unstable :p

Jokes aside, any new build could have slight instabilities and rF2/LMU seem very good at finding them. If the RAM is maxed at 6000 try reducing it a bit.
 
Dean Hayes said:
I updated my processor, ram and motherboard about 2 months ago and ever since I've had random crashing while driving official content. Before upgrading my pc rf2 was always pretty stable for me and was always my favourite sim to play. Before it crashes everything is 100% smooth then I get a little stutter then crash to desktop. Old specs were a Intel 9700K, DDR4 3200mhz ram and Asus Z390 Hero motherboard. New specs are 14900K, DDR5 60000mhz ram with Asus Z790 Hero motherboard with latest 2801 bios. Graphics card had been a RTX3080ti with both setups. Tried verifying files through Steam, made sure no plugins were running and have even reinstalled Windows 10. Really not sure why this is happening as every other game other than Le Mans Ultimate is fine. Le Mans Ultimate was also fine before upgrading but since it's still in early access I guess I can't expect it to be problem free. Any help on this would be appreciated.
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How old and what hard drive, a hard drive will do that, I am not speaking of ssd but hhd or hdd.​
 
8Ball said:
I would not taken as a given the problem is ISIMotor.

Have you done stress testing ?
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rF2 and LMU have uncovered issues all the usual stress tests didn’t…

It’s not an issue with them as such, but something about how they work. As evidenced by the issue going away when lowering over clocks etc.
 
You put cart before horse though.
With any new hardware and system you do the obligatory stress testing.
On top of that issues with this CPU, many people own them have already swapped to AMD
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1eesdjh/i_have_an_i914900k_should_i_just_return_it/
Maybe he is lucky and has good one .......all I did was asked though.
Myself I hate stress and bench testing these days but still do with new builds ;)
Same with LMU never liked losing tower 4 days to run 4 Lemans but I did.

You can't deduce that means rF2 & LMU are at fault.
Personally I have owned rF2 from very start and have never had stability issues over numerous Intel from 2500K up and AMD towers
LMU had teething issues, freeze crash CTD ...fixed in first week for me with fixed swap file on Steam partition and making a Nvidia LMU profile which I will take credit for the solve for windowed/borderless issues. ( No one told me these fixes I discovered in days )
 
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8Ball said:
You put cart before horse though.
With any new hardware and system you do the obligatory stress testing.
On top of that issues with this CPU, many people own them have already swapped to AMD
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/1eesdjh/i_have_an_i914900k_should_i_just_return_it/
Maybe he is lucky and has good one .......all I did was asked though.
Myself I hate stress and bench testing these days but still do with new builds ;)
Same with LMU never liked losing tower 4 days to run 4 Lemans but I did.

You can't deduce that means rF2 & LMU are at fault.
Personally I have owned rF2 from very start and have never had stability issues over numerous Intel from 2500K up and AMD towers
LMU had teething issues, freeze crash CTD ...fixed in first week for me with fixed swap file on Steam partition and making a Nvidia LMU profile which I will take credit for the solve for windowed/borderless issues. ( No one told me these fixes I discovered in days )
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I don’t know if you can’t read properly or just don’t bother. Thanks for putting words in my mouth, again.
 
All I did was asked did he do any stress testing ?
I read OP again just for you, no he never mentioned it, neither did you.
 
8Ball said:
All I did was asked did he do any stress testing ?
I read OP again just for you, no he never mentioned it, neither did you.
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The very first thing I said was “any new build could have slight instabilities”, and mentioned (and explained again to you) that these games are good at finding them.

That’s not laying the fault at their feet, it’s not putting the cart before the horse. I didn’t use the words stress test so I guess you have me there, congrats.
 
If you going to tell people to drop their ram speeds at least put up your sources.

Sounds like voodoo black magic to me.
 
8Ball said:
If you going to tell people to drop their ram speeds at least put up your sources.

Sounds like voodoo black magic to me.
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On multiple occasions people having crashes and “no problems with any other games” have ended up fixing those crashes with lowering clock speeds, whether it’s RAM or CPU or something else (or a combo). Despite 24h stress tests indicating no issues.

Of course I don’t know it’s RAM speed at fault, but if that’s the rated max speed (which is usually what people run it at) then it’s actually one of the easier things to try, considering (as I just said) it often won’t seem to be an issue anywhere but rF2, so testing isn’t easy.

The amazing thing: I don’t have to be right. I’m describing a broad potential cause, one particular item to try, and if it’s not that it’s ok. I don’t lose any points, OP can keep diagnosing, your precious isiMotor is untarnished.
 
Lazza said:
The very first thing I said was “any new build could have slight instabilities”, and mentioned (and explained again to you) that these games are good at finding them.

That’s not laying the fault at their feet, it’s not putting the cart before the horse. I didn’t use the words stress test so I guess you have me there, congrats.
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All I did was asked but lol :)
I mean for all I know he did, he never mentioned.

I also never said you were wrong either, I mean myself I said ISIMotor "CAN" have instability when you push settings and other limits.
Really that goes back to GTR2 though, push too hard and ISI will bite you no doubt.

Still to run a new PC in, imho you want to do stress testing first.
This pushes highest temps and cooling back and forth to bed everything in.

As last one 3DMark even though static comparing same systems and clocks is not a terrible idea to know you in the ballpark plus good all round stability test.

" All games run, X doesn't " I be rich man had a $ every time I hear this.
Meaning have faith is always solution in end.
 
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Dean Hayes said:
I updated my processor, ram and motherboard about 2 months ago and ever since I've had random crashing while driving official content. Before upgrading my pc rf2 was always pretty stable for me and was always my favourite sim to play. Before it crashes everything is 100% smooth then I get a little stutter then crash to desktop. Old specs were a Intel 9700K, DDR4 3200mhz ram and Asus Z390 Hero motherboard. New specs are 14900K, DDR5 60000mhz ram with Asus Z790 Hero motherboard with latest 2801 bios. Graphics card had been a RTX3080ti with both setups. Tried verifying files through Steam, made sure no plugins were running and have even reinstalled Windows 10. Really not sure why this is happening as every other game other than Le Mans Ultimate is fine. Le Mans Ultimate was also fine before upgrading but since it's still in early access I guess I can't expect it to be problem free. Any help on this would be appreciated.
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Every new PC build comes with new challenges, at least that has been my experience. That's even more so with leading edge hardware where there is not as much reference online for similar cases. Sometimes, it has taken months to solve them, and some may never be 100 solved but, perhaps an acceptable work-a-round can be found.

I had game-crashes related to audio cards in my previous system. I tried several different sound-cards and all of them produced the same result. After several months of troubleshooting I just used the Mobo audio without issue until one day I tripped over a forum post related to audio and discovered a suggestion that I should try down-grading my PCIe Gen4 setting (BIOS) to run in Gen3. That turned out to be the game-changing solution to all of the audio issues / game crashes while using my preferred audio solution.

Barring obvious hardware conflicts, stepping back and simplifying things to a very basic level can sometimes reveal the most likely culprit. Look for any patterns that might lead to a trigger or possible clue.

In my experience with game-crashes, the cause has usually been related to GPU or Audio drivers. I had one case where my Fanatec driver became corrupted and caused rF2 to crash every session. More recently, I've experienced game crashes related to changes in monitor setup (triples) and refresh rates, etc. I had to strip things down to a very basic level and troubleshoot + research until I could eliminate possible causes, one by one. Adding VR to the mix also came with some challenging issues as well.
 
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I am having these crashes as well lately.

I am solely playing my own mods, and the game CTDs after roughly 30 minutes of racing. There is a very short hiccup, and then the game CTDs. The mods themselves shouldn't cause any issues, as they are mostly simple conversions without any high end graphics.

I do not have these crashes with my indycar 1995 mod, which uses .sfx files for sounds, rather than .json, like my nascar mods do. I am not sure if this is a potential cause.

Now, I am having similar CTDs in World of Warcraft, after which the game crashes with an "access violation" CTD during or after loading the UI, or by interacting with the UI. I am unsure if these crashes are related.

Specs:

Apparaatnaam MSI
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-14900HX 2.20 GHz
Geïnstalleerd RAM-geheugen 32,0 GB (31,8 GB beschikbaar)
GPU: Nvidia Geforce 4090 RTX. (drivers are up to date)

Type systeem 64-bits besturingssysteem, x64-processor
Pen en aanraken Pen- of aanraakinvoer is niet beschikbaar voor dit beeldscherm

Editie Windows 11 Pro
Versie 23H2
Installatiedatum ‎7-‎8-‎2024
Build van besturingssysteem 22631.4751
Ervaring Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22700.1055.0

I know that I am running an i9-14900HX CPU, but intel says that these CPUs are NOT affected by the Vrim troubles.
 
SharD said:
I am having these crashes as well lately.

I am solely playing my own mods, and the game CTDs after roughly 30 minutes of racing. There is a very short hiccup, and then the game CTDs. The mods themselves shouldn't cause any issues, as they are mostly simple conversions without any high end graphics.

I do not have these crashes with my indycar 1995 mod, which uses .sfx files for sounds, rather than .json, like my nascar mods do. I am not sure if this is a potential cause.

Now, I am having similar CTDs in World of Warcraft, after which the game crashes with an "access violation" CTD during or after loading the UI, or by interacting with the UI. I am unsure if these crashes are related.

Specs:

Apparaatnaam MSI
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-14900HX 2.20 GHz
Geïnstalleerd RAM-geheugen 32,0 GB (31,8 GB beschikbaar)
GPU: Nvidia Geforce 4090 RTX. (drivers are up to date)

Type systeem 64-bits besturingssysteem, x64-processor
Pen en aanraken Pen- of aanraakinvoer is niet beschikbaar voor dit beeldscherm

Editie Windows 11 Pro
Versie 23H2
Installatiedatum ‎7-‎8-‎2024
Build van besturingssysteem 22631.4751
Ervaring Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22700.1055.0

I know that I am running an i9-14900HX CPU, but intel says that these CPUs are NOT affected by the Vrim troubles.
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As with any crashing, generate a trace file and look for issues (can post here if you want), check windows event viewer as it might indicate driver issues, and maybe find a .dmp file in windows and analyse it with WinDbg.

The fact you’re getting crashing in more than one scenario/game suggests driver issues or system instability, but could be anything.
 
I will post them once I am able to replicate both crashes, then the logs can be compared to see if it is the same issue, and, thus, soft- or hardware related.

These are the only two games I play, so, I have no other apps or games to compare logs with.
 
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