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I enjoy driving in rF2 but, I'm in it for an immersive driving / racing experience (offline). I can choose to drive in a more realistic way and adjust the AI pace to suit my performance level.

In a competitive environment (such as E-racing), I would find it frustrating that I would need to use exploits just to have any hope of competing with others. It's a bit like the doping argument in some pro sports today (if you don't cheat, you have zero chance). Even the low bar is set by cheaters. Why bother even trying unless you are fine with using exploits?

With the existence of such exploits in rF2, are the developers essentially giving players free license to cheat or even, encouraging it?
 
RaceNut said:
I enjoy driving in rF2 but, I'm in it for an immersive driving / racing experience (offline). I can choose to drive in a more realistic way and adjust the AI pace to suit my performance level.

In a competitive environment (such as E-racing), I would find it frustrating that I would need to use exploits just to have any hope of competing with others. It's a bit like the doping argument in some pro sports today (if you don't cheat, you have zero chance). Even the low bar is set by cheaters. Why bother even trying unless you are fine with using exploits?

With the existence of such exploits in rF2, are the developers essentially giving players free license to cheat or even, encouraging it?
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Balazs Magyar said:
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Ah okay, so cheating in either case is the way then, right. :rolleyes:
It seems its more about gaming the game than the actual driving but, to each their own.

I guess I'm too old to keep up with the new norm's. Where I grew up, cheating was not okay.
This just reinforces my reasons to avoid online racing altogether.;)
 
RaceNut said:
Ah okay, so cheating in either case is the way then, right. :rolleyes:
It seems its more about gaming the game than the actual driving but, to each their own.

I guess I'm too old to keep up with the new norm's. Where I grew up, cheating was not okay.
This just reinforces my reasons to avoid online racing altogether.;)
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Hold on, where did cheating get into this? No rules are being broken.
 
Remco Majoor said:
Hold on, where did cheating get into this? No rules are being broken.
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I would suppose he means using exploited setups or driving styles to be competitive on-line is cheating to him. So he will remain mostly offline and drive normally with setups that are not exploiting time saving opportunities.
 
The simulator is the same for everyone, the rules are the same for everyone, if you want to do e-sport, and play to win, you have to do whatever the rules and the game allow. If this is in contrast with the reasons you drive in the first place, that's fine, when cons are more that pro, you simple do not partecipate. But there are not only those extremes, life is 8bit greyscale, you can be into E-sport just because you want to be there, you can do your best while remaining into the frame of your "ideal", and fight there with who is in your same league. Winning and having fun are two really really different beasts, and I can say that seldom they play together.
Training to win in e-sport is not fun, is obsessive-compulsive behaviour... yes this can be pleasurable to whom has this personality traits, but my shrink would argue that is not good.
Anyway, this is the game we have, this is the situation as it is, we should all try to enjoy the best as we can, each with the skill we have, the hardware we have and so on. the fun is there, even in ending a race last, is up to each one be honest with their motivations.
 
The irony is that the % of people using this stuff is small and for most online racers it won't make any difference because the majority of us are slow. Nothing stops anyone from driving online with proper setups, there are people in leagues (and there will be in comp system) for every skill level out there. Heck most people dont even know how to make a setup, not even something basic to make the car understeer or oversteer a bit more to fit their driving style
So this "I won't drive online because of physics bla bla bla" is just att whoring.
 
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Will Mazeo said:
The irony is that the % of people using this stuff is small and for most online racers it won't make any difference because the majority of us are slow. Nothing stops anyone from driving online with proper setups, there are people in leagues (and there will be in comp system) for every skill level out there. Heck most people dont even know how to make a setup, not even something basic to make the car understeer or oversteer a bit more to fit their driving style
So this "I won't drive online because of physics bla bla bla" is just att whoring.
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Fixed setup races for noobs like me would be a nice solution to this problem
 
Balazs Magyar said:
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Fixed setup races for noobs like me would be a nice solution to this problem
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Disagree. If you are a noob (I am!) invest some time to learn how to setup a car, not to be fast, just learn enough to make the car fit your driving style more, this is a huge help and make races way more enjoyable. If you are a noob the last thing you want is to be locked in a setup that makes you fight the car rather than the other guys around you.
 
Sure, there is place for everyone, I too like fixed setup races because I prefer spend my time online on the track than trying to make a setup offline. But in the end is about motivation: if I know that I have a race on a track, and know fast laps of other humans, then probably I will practice offline in preparation.
 
Once you learn how to make a setup it won't take more than 15 minutes to put a car to your liking ;) like I said a setup to get the car as close as possible to your driving style, not to go fast
 
The terms exploit and cheat don't fit here. This is more akin to using extra parts of the track others didn't think to, than putting a new engine in and hoping no one will notice.

Where's it's overstepping the bounds of reality that's a shame because we all want a sim here, but crying foul is unfair and emotive.
 
MarcG said:
Some people don't have a lot of time to Sim Race, Fixed Setup Comps are a must for those that have very little time to worry about setting a car up. Appeal to all racers not a select category of drivers.
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That's truth. Just trying to take down a misconcept about setups. There is no need to rush to learn how to make them, but there is only benefits by learning, best thing is that they mostly work for anything with a medium level of "reality" so it'll benefit a driver in any sim in the market right now. Anyone in simracing for more than 2 years could have learned how to quickly make a setup just to make a car more comfortable to drive and that wouldn't take hard driving every day like pros with their esport stuff
 
Will Mazeo said:
That's truth. Just trying to take down a misconcept about setups. There is no need to rush to learn how to make them, but there is only benefits by learning, best thing is that they mostly work for anything with a medium level of "reality" so it'll benefit a driver in any sim in the market right now. Anyone in simracing for more than 2 years could have learned how to quickly make a setup just to make a car more comfortable to drive and that wouldn't take hard driving every day like pros with their esport stuff
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Yeah which is why S397 have improved default setups to help aid those that perhaps don't have the time to tweak, even if someone had owned a sim for years they may only have very limited time and still not the knowledge to know exactly what they're doing.
In order to appeal to as many racers as possible the Dev needs to cater for as many scenarios of real life players as possible
 
Yep. Default setups have been a complaint from me for a long time. Never understood why make life hard for the majority of the player base just to please a few aliens
I'm very glad S397 changed their approach
 
Will Mazeo said:
Yep. Default setups have been a complaint from me for a long time. Never understood why make life hard for the majority of the player base just to please a few aliens
I'm very glad S397 changed their approach
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The issue is not that.

The issue is being able to get away with sliding the car at every corner and not being penalized for it.

The driving style changes 500% when you lower pressures. It essentially drives like a go kart!!!

And if you don't lower your pressures, you will pay the price in SECONDS, not tenths.
 
Most online racers don't have the skill to drive doing the "correct" sliding to go fast so it won't change anything for the majority of us...
Are you on the level of "esports" or close to that? If not then stop caring about it, it's not a issue to you.
People talk about it like they aren't on the top competitions because of this stuff lol, wake up... there are more issues with these cars than sliding and it hits the offline experience as well, but you see... you don't know about it, nobody talked about it properly in a video so you won't complain and you are still having fun offline ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Will Mazeo said:
Most online racers don't have the skill to drive doing the "correct" sliding to go fast so it won't change anything for the majority of us...
Are you on the level of "esports" or close to that? If not then stop caring about it, it's not a issue to you.
People talk about it like they aren't on the top competitions because of this stuff lol, wake up... there are more issues with these cars than sliding and it hits the offline experience as well, but you see... you don't know about it, nobody talked about it properly in a video so you won't complain and you are still having fun offline ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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my opinion is not based on a video or forum threads.

i know what this car can do with low pressures at sebring... i have loads and loads of laps in testing.

if you don't know the difference between high and low pressures in the amount of sliding ANYONE (not just fast guys) can get away with at a bumpy track like sebring, i don't know what to tell you.
 
If you don't know that slower drivers slide because they don't know what they are doing and they won't get away with it (even faster thermal deg anyone?) then this will turn into those physics threads being discussed by people that understands nothing about it just making it run forever :D so nvm
 
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