Hi Community First of all: I'm not really a "serious" sim racer in the sense that I spend enough hours on it to be competitive outside a select few car/track combinations. BUT! I use a decent controller setup (Fanatec Porsche Wheel, clubsport pedals) and I can appreciate realistic physics. At least I know enough to be able to tell that games like Gran Turismo are not really "sims". And since I first touched Live for Speed in 2005, I haven't been able to enjoy any other racing sim, not even rFactor. I tried GTL, I tried R3R, I tried Race07...was put off by all of them because the physics and FFB felt so much more...right in LfS. So I kept coming back to LfS for several short bouts over the years, and right now is another one of them. Only, LfS is pretty much dead. What I'm looking for is a game that has: * an online community large and mature enough to let me race against other beginner-/ amateur level players WITHOUT having to fear 1st-corner-pileups every time. Preferrably in a number of track/car combinations so that I'm likely to find exactly what I'm looking for at any moment. * subtle FFB effects which make sense intuitively - not the gimmicky rattle that most other games give me. It's all nice and cool if the engine makes the wheel vibrate and if the wheel shakes like mad to tell me I've gone over a curb or went into the green, but that stuff doesn't help me feel what the car is doing. LfS excels at that to this very day. * road cars. vanilla rFactor 2 seems to offer none of these, but what about mods? And the quality of those? rf1 was all over the place in that respect. I don't mind graphics. Yes, AC is prettier, but rF2 looks good enough for me. Now, I've heard good things about AC's physics. I tried it at a friend's, and I enjoyed it enough that I couldn't stop hotlapping and hotlapping... good sign. However, there's no day/night cycle, no rain, and I've heard bad things about the netcode and first-corner-pileups. With rF2, I find the real road feature utterly fascinating. It's almost a reason to buy on its own. BUT! I have heard people say that rF2 suffers from the same idiot racers in public lobbies as AC, and people have said that due to the number of mods, it's hard to find a server that won't require me to download stuff before I can join. I'm on a 3Mbps connection, so that's an issue. Finally... AC is cheaper, and it's a one-time buy. With rF2, I pay more to get the game, and then I'll have to continue paying a year later. Well. What would you guys say?