Nordschleife

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Jason Mullin, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. hitm4k3r

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    I think he has a point though. People allways find something to moan about. If it isn't the grass, it's moaning about the trees. If it isn't about the trees it's about the roads. If it isn't about the roads it's the curbs ... The list is endless. Tbh, for me Le Mans looks nice and gives a nice visual immersion when I whizz by the trees and most importantly it runs great and feels fantastic. The only issue I have with Le Mans is the trees popping up at the end of the Mulsanne straight. So in that regard, it's fine to give feedback, but this is going into extremes sometimes, with an unmatched obsession about visual details that would keep the dev team busy for another year to get this up to one standard for all tracks that I wonder if people will find a point where they are satisfied, so that S397 can get onto more important stuff like clutch and drive train simulation instead of concentrating on tree branches that look a whee bit off in some low res replays. From the videos that I have seen so far, the track is amazingly detailed and looks just fine from the cockpit. And there is still a bit of polish to come.
     
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    Just be thankful for people who has reasonable feedback and spends energy gathering it and sharing. Instead you disrespectfully call them moaners. You can keep what you have, it most likely isn't going to get worse. You don't need better? Good for you.

    Now for developers some feedback might be waste of attention, some might help. But if you'll surround yourself by the ones that only approves you constantly, then welcome to illusion world.

    And surely 3d modeller is coding your clutch someday xD
     
  3. hitm4k3r

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    You call me disrespectfull while you where perfectly fine to call another user sh..poster. Good job. Tbh, I have spent enough time working in a modding team for free with people who really kicked my butt, so I know how striving for perfection works and how much time it requires. There is a reason why the trees look as they do and there is a standard technique to be applied, that looks good enough while offering decent performance accross the game and even on huge tracks with lots of trees. Next to the fact that the content was labeled WIP and there is more polish to come, I see no reason to get mad about the topic, while financial ressources - and that's what happens when you tell a 2D/3D artist to improve the underlying tech for vegetation could be spent on stuff that would actually matter much more for the simulation aspect. And I rather see the track artists updating all the tracks towards the current standard of Le Mans, Monaco Nords and Sebring instead of opening a completely new construction site and can of worms.
     
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    Doesn't sound to me like you have much understanding. Perhaps because you don't understand how little it would take to make actually decent improvement. Also you call tweakign existing/new projects as opening new construction site, but somehow think updating all other tracks is not, which is absolutely wrecked logic.

    People had many different opinions on what could look better. My opinion was that the texture could be better. I don't see how this resonates into WW3 of defending S397 from "moaning". I will just stop sharing my opinions here. It is not worth it.
     
  5. hitm4k3r

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    I think I have swapped enough vegetation textures (not just in rF2) in my freetime to have an understanding of the whole subject. Don't get me wrong, opinions are valid and everyone is free to voice theirs in this forum and give feedback. What I don't get is how people prioritize things and this whole topic is actually not a matter of opinions but how track artists, who are paid for their job prioritize their workload. How this is considered wrecked logic is beyond me. In case the devs follow your suggestion, we will have a fantastic looking Nordschleife with great looking trees while other tracks would look subpar and the whole standardization process is f*cked up again. Sometimes it makes sense to hold your artists back and this isn't something that I have made up. That's simple game dev 1x1.

    Edit: on the matter of the subject of standarization there is quite a bit of stuff that hasn't been brought up to spec that it is so obvious that I wonder how people could argue about the trees so much. Just a little example from the environmental art departement are the marshals that where introcuded with Sebring, but aren't implemented on all tracks up to this point.
     
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    They could always add hot air balloons!
     
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    OH GOD PLEASE NO!
     
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    Surely a 'red barron' biplane doing loop de loops would be far more entertaining! :D
     
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    As long as Snoopy's dog house is in hot pursuit with fully functioning non-ballistic 6dof AI physics.
     
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    It's the cascade shadows running along in front of the player and throttle/brake blipping from the Ai from me :p
     
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    Please no!
     
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    I agree. We know the AI is busted, we now FCY is busted, we know that formation laps are busted (and only two lane as well which messes up formula races) and people are screaming for it to be fixed. Then there's the UI, clutch and box simulation...

    But then we get the little smaller things that aren't really a priority but are treated like they're game breaking. Stuff like trees, grass, pit boards, sparks; realism realism realism realism. Say for instance S397 releases Spa or Bathurst with these 3d trees and grass, then people will be all "but this needs fixing/adding to Le Mans/Sebring/Zandvoort now!" which takes resources away from something new, then there will be complaints of no new content becuase they're adding 3D grass to Sebring or whatever.
     
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    Ask the community about these famous trees/vegetation :

    On Sebring, the few trees that are there are in my opinion very well done.

    Same on Monaco ePrix.

    By cons on Le Mans, I find the trees very poorly done (subjective) :

    What do you think of the trees of the Nords ?? They seem very well done!

    Moreover I have the impression that the grass, although 2D, has textures of much better quality than Sebring, Le Mans.....

    The graphic quality of Nords seems very good !!!
     
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    Le Mans grass and sand textures are a lot better than previous tracks or it seems to be at least. Nords seem like will keep that going so it's great. IMO 3d grass is not needed when u get textures right.
    They should upgrade Sebring with those. Well.. upgrade all tracks with those when the track shaders get finished. Tracks with a big amount of grass and trees need it more like Lime Rock, and Silverstone grass texture make the track looks flat as hell, that track does not need any more help to look flat you know :D :D
     
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    I think rf2 has way more serious issues to solve than grass and trees o_O
     
  16. DrivingFast

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    There are more important things, who said the opposite !!!

    But it's relatively important.

    At least in all the tracks where there is a lot of vegetation, trees, grass and sand ! (almost all).

    For me the graphic immersion is secondary ....

    But damn it, even if it passes after realism, the visual immersion is very important too !
     
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    Lets not get paranoid its not game breaking stuff, but in many tracks most of your screen is vegetation, you get that right you have a nice scenery "simple" as that.

    Then its a nords thread and we still moan about clutch and UI?! At least your moaning could be in the right context... moaning about moaning should be in the forum rules, have you ever been in a internetz forum before, never moan about others moaning if you re not entertained keep calm and look for something else to read!

    If LM trees are not very good, i think they re just not very real life like because they look empty in the middle, also the tree barks look too bright. That can be fixed in minutes since from what i see its the same one tree texture, bump file doesnt need anything spec file might not either. Programming clutch and new ui is tiny bit more demanding yea?

    From what i see in Nords tree barks look too bright too, should better match the environment its usually better to be dark than bright for me, its a good compromise since you cant have good shadows in billboard (2d) trees.
    I ve done it in other mods in excellent quality tracks and that simple thing makes a worthy improvement and ties the scene together.

    Silverstone is just crap for various reasons Botniaring doesnt even have billboard trees in front of the treeline, "free" content is subpar im afraid, company policy! :eek:

    LM pit building tho! I hope they make the bugatti circuit too and make it a bundle.
    Nords i see nice details, some P boards and those stairs-like small stands must the ones for photographers , pit building also amazing in the gp track, premium content looks like the business ya.
    Fantastisch! :)
     
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  18. mantasisg

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    Simple just do the best possible on the current projects, update (if going to update) older stuff when there are resources available for that.

    Wrecked logic is to do things nto as great as it could be, then go for second pass on everything (which probably not even going to happen).
     
  19. hitm4k3r

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    I got to dissapoint you but this is exactly not how environmental artists work within a studio.
     
  20. felirrari

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    Well, we know there is a group responsible for the visual part of the sim. So they have to make the best for it, and the other sessions of the team won't be affected. Trees, sky and more eye-candy graphics are not only important to immersion, but to attract more players, and more money and more development. That's why iRacing and PCars invest a lot on it, and man it's soo nice to pit the truck and see the animated mechanics lifting the car, the sparks... Those effects bring more players, or else we would still racing on rFactor or on rF2 DX9... rFactor 2 has the best physics, more features, and what we got? Empty servers, less players evolved, and league dependence to have populated races online...IMHO rFactor 2 should focus in visual improvements and solve the bugs to bring more players, and then in new content. Oval cars content is not hard to update and associated to less bugs, could bring much more players.
     

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