New UI

Please, merciful master, don´t rush things just because some are waiting for championship mode since 2012. S397 takeover in 2016 and we already have dx11, working wipers and paid dlc. What else could give us more this 2018 feeling?
Forgive us. This will not happen again
 
Depco said:
He says that he doesnt understand how people play single player games. He says that he only enjoys playing with and against other people.
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Fallout New Vegas has an MMO version in fan development ;)

Depco said:
BUT Other drivers find the AI race to be compelling.
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I race against AI because I'm a crap driver, I can restart if I need to and I just don't have the time to do league racing online. It is a great way to unwind but I hope to make friends in this community and race online in the future. But for now, time is an issue.

And mostly because I'm crap...

All that said, I'd rather have something delayed becuase it's not ready (Resident Evil VII's DLC being an example) rather than have an unfinished product put out filled with bugs that causes EVERYONE not just a few some issues.
 
AMillward said:
I race against AI because I'm a crap driver, I can restart if I need to and I just don't have the time to do league racing online. It is a great way to unwind but I hope to make friends in this community and race online in the future. But for now, time is an issue.
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All of this but on my part even if I wasn't a crap driver (which I am) I just don't have the time for a league. I can not guarantee participation in a competition on a regular basis. I play when I have time and feel like it and most appropriate would be pick-up races but as I read there aren't many of them, or?
 
I'm a 100% offline player in rF2, just never bothered looking for pickup races. I have done some pickup stuff in AC which was ok but as mentioned by others I can't dedicate the time to Leagues, I'm likely not very good (though I concede that can and is most likely to improve with other players) and certainly can't pin down specific times.

So with the UI if there is an improvement that increases pick up racing options and players then that is great and I may well give it a try but I don't see it holding my attention.

For me, at the end of the day, I still prefer playing in my own 'Space Time Continuum'. So I look for good AI and Offline content like Custom Championship. AI is there and If I'm reading the tea leaves right I think CC is coming. You're nearly there S397 ;):)
 
If I'm not mistaken (if I'm not mistaken), absolutely NOONE has really complained ..................

Damn it, I think it takes call back.

There was just a lack of information, legitimate information (sorry, but it is frequent).

Nobody asks for specific details, just to know ABOUT WHEN the UI will come out.

No complaint, just a legitimate question that we would never have had to ask, if we had 1 single sentence/information in the roadmap :

"if all goes well, the UI will be realized within 2 months / 3 months / 4 months / we have experienced blocking problems and delays are not known."

The over-reactions, like allways, give the forum a bad atmosphere.
Hard to believe sometimes that we are the oldest simracers community.
 
dadaboomda said:
If I'm not mistaken (if I'm not mistaken), absolutely NOONE has really complained ..................

Damn it, I think it takes call back.

There was just a lack of information, legitimate information (sorry, but it is frequent).

Nobody asks for specific details, just to know ABOUT WHEN the UI will come out.

No complaint, just a legitimate question that we would never have had to ask, if we had 1 single sentence/information in the roadmap :

"if all goes well, the UI will be realized within 2 months / 3 months / 4 months / we have experienced blocking problems and delays are not known."

The over-reactions, like allways, give the forum a bad atmosphere.
Hard to believe sometimes that we are the oldest simracers community.
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When it's ready...

Just like CDPR 5 years ago posted a trailer for CP2077, at the end of the video there was this message that said:
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Same here with the UI. Better not to say anything than say and then get smacked for not delivering.
 
filippu said:
September 16th, 2016 : announcing Studio 397
November 18th, 2016 : "Development has been focussing on the DX11 engine and laying down the groundwork for our new UI."
December 17th, 2016 : first UI screenshot
May 1st, 2017 : "We are really excited about our upcoming UI, which didn’t quite make it into this release" :D
14 teeny tiny months later, UI is WIP. Guys, you need to be patient, S397 just took over !
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Sadly, and according to Marcel's post, its release does not seem imminent. Next roadmap will provide information. Let's hope that information relates to release estimate.
 
Well, that was a straightforward answer. Sometimes, its just not possible to give an accurate estimate of when something will be done - I mean, you can plan and estimate but when something goes over the level of complexity expected or you need to redesign it, then a replan has to take place. It's not like there is anything business critical of a drop-dead date that we know of for this development, and so therefore, everything quoted will be a speculative 'hope for the best' date. If they've come across some technical issues that need to come up with a new design, or worse some partner to come up with a solution for, then there's no way they can reliably quote a date. Keep on asking "are we there yet" doesn't get you there any faster. I know people don't like "soon" and completely open-ended dates, but S397 aren't running this in the same way as iRacing is with clearly scheduled quarterly updates coordinated with season race schedules. They've already told us that some of the work on the 'baseline UI' (car setups etc.) has had a lot done to it, but they weren't going to release it until the competition infrastructure is also ready and that they were a fair way off completing that, and it had gone through a rethink.

@Marcel Offermans, I do have a couple of UI-related questions that maybe you could address in the next roadmap (or answer here). Mainly it is around what the new structure of the app will be. Right now we have the Launcher - a non-game UI (more standard Windows UI, if you prefer) that is primarily responsible for integration to Steam with the online userid (steam id), workshop/DLC and content installation, and application settings for graphics. The Launcher then runs the main game app, from where you run a session (select car, track), [future state, create offline championships or career modes], watch replays etc. and when in a driving session modify car setups and spectate live action and drive. Is there still planned to be the two apps, or will this all get merged into one? The iRacing beta UI kind of still has two "modes", one where outside a race session where they use the HTML modes, and then within which includes setups, HUDs and black boxes etc. which does not. Is that what we'll also have?
 
Marcel Offermans said:
So the short answer to this discussion is that we are indeed still working on the new UI. Delays were caused by a few reasons. Partially tester feedback, partially things we decided to change and some reasons we won't discuss in public. The good news is that we are still working hard on completing it and we will provide a more extensive update in the upcoming roadmap. There is no cause for concern. It is not cancelled, we have not run into roadblocks, if anything our planning might have been too optimistic.
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Thank you for your answer Marcel. :)
 
burgesjl said:
Well, that was a straightforward answer. Sometimes, its just not possible to give an accurate estimate of when something will be done - I mean, you can plan and estimate but when something goes over the level of complexity expected or you need to redesign it, then a replan has to take place.
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If this was an R&D project I would buy your argument. However, we are talking about a UI. I understand that there is part linked to the new competition system which probably needs a higher level coding. However, redesigning an existing and operative UI maintaining the good things of actual UI and applying changes to the not so good aspects shouldn't be so uncertain. It should also be noted that the longest it takes for something to be released, the greater the hype and expectations. I can imagine what would happen if what we get delivered doesn't meet people's expectations...
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I think it would be very important to avoid such situation to provide more detailed information of what we can expect. It would adjust expectations and moderate the hype.

Showing some pictures of screens with some explanations about its options would be helpful as an advance work of the user manual and would help receiving feedback for the proposed functionalities.
 
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