New build...

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I started a thread here about a new build I`m planning for sim racing/gaming and 3d modelling.

I thought I`d start one to go on from that in here...

Here`s my build list. Parts will be sent for in a day or so.

Card:

Gigabyte Geforce GTX 780 Windforce 3x OC 3072MB GDDR5 PCI Express Graphics Card

CPU:

Intel Core i7-4770K 3.50GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail

RAM:

Corsair Vengeance Pro Red 16GB DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Kit

Motherboard:

MSI Z87-G45 Gaming Series Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX

PSU:

Seasonic M12II EVO Edition 750W '80 Plus Bronze' Fully Modular Power Supply

Cooling:

Corsair Hydro H100i High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler

Case:

Thermaltake Urban S31 Case With Window

DVD:

LG GH24NSB0.AUAA 24x Internal DVD Rewriter - Black

Really looking forward to building it and having a good rig for rf2/modelling etc...

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Can't fault that any which way............................jealous !!^%&$#@#!!


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Id get a 780ti instead of a non-ti. It makes a noticeable difference.

Also, because it is easy to become heat-limited with Haswell, rather than voltage limited, I would get the Swiftech H320 cooler. Pretty much the best all-in-one water cooler on the market, by far. Much better than the corsair h100/h100i/h110.
 
I agree both points if tj drove a Porsche. lol

I knew the Ti was above his 1000 budget so I forgot that.
If he said he was contemplating 3 screens I would have advised it.

Awesome cooler the H320 but 40-50% dearer then the H100i.
Most places tested the 320 rate the H100i very highly.
I think H100 is 5 years warranty the 320 is 3 years.

But if he was throwing more money at it for sure, I have no problem with your choices mate.


tj I sorry I really made a blue :(
You may notice.....I have only just this morning on my sites and OCUK MSi has released their Z97 Gaming boards.
They were not on either on weekend. doh


http://au.msi.com/product/mb/Z97_GAMING_3.html#overview


http://hexus.net/tech/features/mainboard/69513-intel-launches-high-end-z97-chipset/

Like recommended above unless you get the Z87 at a sale price or if you are buying a higher end board/build you would be better waiting.

However if you have a look at advantages of Z97 they really do not apply to you per-say.
If you were running raid SSD or dual graphics , faster ram, higher overclocking then yes.

ie: I know you will not be considering upgrading this build for 3 years or more so imho it is not issue.

You will get same perfomance with the same 4770K - 1600MHz ram - single card and even fastest single SSD in 5 years no matter what chipset.


In hindsight if I thought about it I would have told you to wait, tell the truth it never crossed my mind, doh :(

I guess if you have not opened and send straight back you may be able to exchange, seems the models are a few dollars dearer.

Personally, honestly I would not bother,



Soz

DD
 
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Yes there is a decent price difference between ti and non-ti. A non-ti is still great and will save you a good chunk of money, but honestly I would rethink the H320, it is an insane performer.

Ive seen people with over 11 degree Celcius differences between the H320 and the corsair h1xx, loaded and overclocked/overvolted of course. That's just insane. It's custom water cooling type of performance. One of my favorite products in the entire PC scene.

Percentage wise, yes the H320 costs around 50% more (around $150 instead of around $100), but in the "real-world", regardless of percentages, will $50 really affect you? Only you know the answer to that obviously.

If it was a cooler chip that used soldering between the chip and die like Sandy Bridge, Sandy Bridge-E, Ivy Bridge-E, and presumably Haswell-E do, and therefore didn't run so hot, then I would say that there's not much need to go for the h320 for most people, but because Ivy Bridge (non-e) and Haswell (non-e) run so much hotter, I would personally go for it.

It really sucks when your chip is capable of overclocking more but you become heat-limited, especially when you are still in the safe zone of voltage but can't add more because of heat limitations.

The 5 year warranty of the corsair is really nice though, no doubt. 3 years is good, but 5 years is definitely excellent.

Performance
Now i just got the cooler and havent fully tested so ill update this more later with picture proof once i have some solid oc's. Temps with the stock cooler on the I7 4770k were unruly to say the least. playing skyrim at 4k settings with a ton of mods the average temp would be atleast 60 degrees across all cores with about a 5 degree variation. i dared not run aida with the stock cooler for obvious reasons lol. With this Cooler i immediately set it for 4.5ghz with 1.25 volts on the core and ran*aida64 (dont like prime especially on the newer ivy and haswell chips.) for about 3 hours with no issue and the temp would not go over 60 degrees at the absolute peak with an average of about 50 degrees. to be honest i thought these reading were wrong in aida so i started cpuz and it gave the same readings within margin of error, after seeing that i pumped it up to 4.6ghz @ 1.27 volts on the core also rock solid with a marginal increase in temps all the while my fans stayed near whisper quiet. i should also note my ambient temperature is around 20 degrees celcius give or take a few degrees of course

Final clock of 4.8ghz with a vcore of 1.42, it was at 1.5 a bit ago but after some extensive bios tweaks i was able to drop it significantly on average about 5 to 10 degrees across the board. the pic does not reflect the updated bios tweaks that will be updated as soon as possible

Cpu clocks.png

So there are some high peaks there because i had my silent fan curve running instead of my extreme benching curve, my average temps are usually around fairly low as you see xD ill run a cpuid verification later for proof if this isnt enough for some

Conclusion
This is hand down the best closed loop cooler (if you can call it that) i have ever used, i have used the h220 the h110 the h100i and pretty much everything else you can think of throughout my own builds as well as client builds and im extremely impressed by it. If you have the space to mount a triple rad this cooler is literally a no brainer and if anyone says otherwise i will seriously question their state of mind :P
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The above quote is from http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/98975-swiftech-h320/
 
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Well... the first thing to say is it`s all here, sitting in front of me, apart from the mobo, so it`s really a bit late to be changing things I think...

@ Spinelli

I appreciate the input but there`s no way I could afford the parts you suggested. The Ti`s are out of my price range and so is spending more on the cooler. I was stretching to get what I did but thanks for posting...

DurgeDriven said:
4670K-4770K simply run hot.

Tell the truth I not too concerned about that.
tj will not run speeds or voltages anything like that.


Thing I am worried about is my rookie error with chipset selection. :(

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GAMING_5_Preview/6.html
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Ok... now I`m worried...

:p

I can always contact Amazon (I got the Z87 there for the lowest price) and see what they say about changing it but I think it`s going to be more hassle than it`s worth tbh.

Yeh, if I`d known about the imminent release of the Z97 I may have got one as they are on offer etc but I didn`t know so therefore I surely wasn`t meant to have one.

I`ll check with Amazon but I reckon the Z87 will be going in the build...
 
Well tj I let others give thoughts, it was simply a dumb mistake by me.

Could not have come out on sites even a few days earlier, I never took much notice of release dates.


Anyway my take is OCUK ( not sure about Amazon ) says 15th of May for 20% discount.

However on Msi site it says the 30th May.

If it is the 30th of May this gives you more then enough time to return the mobo unopened break no seals.

The 20% saving plus the cost to you to post back you should still come out in front.



On the other hand why I do not see it as a big deal for you personally or me for that fact is you or I not doing any of the following as far as I know:

1. Upgrading Processor
2. Extreme overclocking
3. Upgrading to faster memory
4. Dual Cards
5. SSD Raid


If that is the case you will not miss out on anything other then the Model# and cosmetic changes.
 
BTW tj don't worry about the "Simply Run Hot " bit by me......... lool , that is why you have good cooling. ;)


4670K
Good price
Great performance for its price
Better iGPU performance than HD 4000
Low power consumption under both idle and load

Really high temperature under load
Low overclocking potential
Small performance increase versus Core i5-3570K


4770K
High performance
Includes Hyper-Threading Technology
Better iGPU performance than HD 4000
Good price to performance ratio
Low power consumption under both idle and load
8 MB cache

High temperature under load
Low overclocking potential
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Overclocking personally I do think think you will need it.


Me I would set up a fixed clock rate, stock voltages and override turbo and all management.
 
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I`ve checked at Amazon and unopened items may be sent back...

"Frequently Asked Questions

What can I return?

You may return most new, unopened items sold and fulfilled by Amazon.co.uk within 30 days of delivery for a full refund.

When will I get my refund?

Usually in about 2-3 weeks. Most refunds are fully refunded in 3-5 days after we receive and process your return.

Does Amazon offer replacements or exchanges?

Yes, we do. If you received a damaged or defective item, we’ll send you a replacement of the same item. If you’d like to exchange an item for something else, you can exchange for a different size or colour or for an item in your Basket."

So I`ll see, it will really depend on how much it`ll cost to send back to them. If it works out ok I`ll consider exchanging the mobo...
 
Excuse my interrupting, but some weeks ago I build a new PC with a z87 (and SLI) and it runs really well :) - sometimes some "newer" boards can have initial bugs (I allready had them some years ago) and later updates repaire them. But "older" boards are normaly a bit more solid...
 
MonSum said:
Excuse my interrupting, but some weeks ago I build a new PC with a z87 (and SLI) and it runs really well :) - sometimes some "newer" boards can have initial bugs (I allready had them some years ago) and later updates repaire them. But "older" boards are normaly a bit more solid...
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Thanks for your input MonSum, good to know the board works well for you. :)
 
DurgeDriven said:
No boxes open yet ? p



Me personally I would build it as is tj,


If you do wait make sure you can receive that MSi 20% rebate up to the 30th beforehand.
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Nope, no boxes open... :p

I`m going to decide over night tonight mate and see what I want to do.

I am seriously thinking of just using the Z87 and building in the morning.

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Be nice if a few others could reply.


Really no new features on Z97 you going to miss out on with your current setup configuration.

So what is new in the Series 9 chipsets you might wonder ? Well, to be honest ... nothing much. Z97 basically is a respin of the Z87 silicon, yet Intel was able to add Sata Express and M2 PCIe SSD compatibility. You don't need a new chipset just for them though as honestly, both solutions use a handful of PCIe lanes from the Intel PCH and that's it. So why a new chipset release then? Well, it's twofold. With the launch of series 9 chipset Intel will also release new Haswell processors. These are respins as well, the new models will be clocked 100 maybe 200 MHz faster depending on the SKU.

Closer to the Computex 2014 timeframe however you guys will see Devil's Canyon processors. Basically a new '4770K' processor that is unlocked, yet comes with improved thermal insulation material and heatspreader, allowing these upcoming processors to be able to cool down much better than the existing design.


Final Words & Conclusion

So as we mentioned in the first part of this article already, the Intel Z97 chipset all by itself is not really interesting from an upgrade point of view if you bought a PC in say the last two years. It is a re-spin of the Z87 DNA. There are a couple of differences that the chipset however offers, and that's making PCIe storage units compatible with standards like SATA Express and M2 PCIe SSDs. But if you purchased a Z87 motherboard and a Haswell processor last year already, by all means there is just no reason to upgrade whatsoever. Even coming from Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge processors and the Z77 platform will not change my mind about this recommendation.

Storage

On the storage side of things you'll receive many SATA 6Gbps ports provided by Intel’'s Z97 PCH, seconded by Asmedia controllers on the Deluxe model. Have a good look at our performance results, SATA3 SSD wise, the Intel SATA3 ports offer the best performance. SATA Express is going to be a hard sell. It uses a weird big connector and seems to use too many wires for it to be sexy. Our prototype sample didn't perform as expected either. But the keyword is prototype here. No, M2 is where things get interesting. Over M2 you gain a 10 Gbps connection with the chipset; add in an M2 SSD and immediately you have been freed up from the SATA3 bottleneck. Let me make a small side-statement on that SATA3 bottleneck though, SATA3 is PLENTY fast. Going from 500 towards 750 MB/sec might be a huge step, but in real world usage it is going to be hard to notice the difference. But we are all gurus here right? We crave a thirsty need for the best and fastest kit on the globe when it comes to our hardware. Yes, M2 .. it is hard to not be impressed by it and I for one think that M2 is going to be way more popular opposed to Sata Express. Time will tell. It is however good to see that both motherboards support SATA Express and M2.
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Off course take into account they are talking from a upgrade standpoint.

Best gains would interest me is Less CPU Heat .........though you would have to wait for the new Processor as well.

I would build it.
 
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