so ignoring the fact its all about the playing/modding of the game you're basing your thoughts on what its called?! If people are arguing over whether it should be an Alpha or a Beta then they need to get out more.....simple! It does't matter one tiny particle of an atoms arse what "stage" RF2 is at....its at what stage that ISI deem it to be and if they call it Beta so bloody what?! its a word for crying out loud not a state of societys clothing trend.....GET OVER IT! Enjoy RF2 for what it is, if you cant because one word is bringing you down then by all means piss off and play something else....it really is'nt that hard (FIFA13 out this week for example, I know what I'll be playing!!). ...and for the record not everyone is concerned about graphics, ISI have already said work will continue on that area (amongst MANY others) during the lifespan of the game....'nuff said!