Released Mini Cooper S Vintage Mk1

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  1. azaris

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    The spring rates (non-tunable) shown in the setup screen for the Mini are 946 N/mm, which seems incredibly high for a vintage touring car. Is this accurate or are the units being shown wrong?
     
  2. Lazza

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    Much depends on the suspension layout. Quite often with old cars the springs were inboard of the wheels, so comparing rates with cars using more familiar setups will be confusing.

    Here's an image I found which (hopefully) represents the mini front suspension:

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    You can see the damper is fairly close to the wheel, but the 'spring' is very close to the swivel arm pivot. This gives the wheel huge mechanical advantage over the spring, so high rates are needed to get sensible wheel rates.
     
  3. Seven Smiles

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    The rear has similar geometry.
     
  4. azaris

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    And this suspension geometry is actually modelled in-game? Not just approximated with double wishbone?
     
  5. Emery

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    Worth noting that the rubber cone spring in a Mini is a progressive rate spring. Difficult to judge from the setup page whether that was implemented in the model.

    The Mini (and Austin America) I had used hydrolastic suspension. Pity rF2 doesn't support that.
     
  6. Emery

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    Look more closely. You'll see it is a narrow-base double A-arm with radius rod for the front suspension. No need for approximation.
     
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  7. RaceNut

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    Being you mention the Austin America (one in our family when I was young), I'm curious to know how that car and mini compared to one another.
     
  8. Emery

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    AA was roomier and heavier, so performance wasn't as brisk as the Mini. AA's 4-spd manual transmission and single-carb 1275cc engine were roughly the same as a dual-carbed 1100cc in the Mini. Austin America's seats were more plush. A friend had an automatic AA that I think had the Hobbs transmission (essentially a clutchless 4-spd) that was cool until a semi-truck changed lanes over the top of him at a traffic light. Watch the movie "Clockwise" for an Austin 1100 experience, the Austin America's close cousin.
     
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  9. juanchioooo

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    mine did not have hydroelastic suspension, but I almost swore there was
    an option, in addition to the austin mini morris models yes it would but it is another vehicle
    [​IMG]
     
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  10. Emery

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    The Maxi? We didn't get them in America. There were a lot of variants we didn't get.
     
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  11. RaceNut

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    Thanks for the information. Spent a lot of hours in the AA Pretend-driving as a kid.
    Maybe that set me up to be a Sim-racer! :D
     
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    I slept in the back seat of a station wagon whenever we traveled. Maybe that's why I'm such a sleepy sim driver now! ;)
     
  13. GeraArg

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    I can't join the S397 server. Does anyone know what the problem is?
    I check the integrity of the game with Steam but the problem persists.
     

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  14. Lazza

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    Show the error message.
     
  15. GeraArg

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    I don't have the 1.0 version of the Mini, I think that is the problem. But when I verify the integrity of the game in Steam, this don't download that package. :/
     

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    And why use that ugly rf2 helmet when a classic helmet could easily be made as an upgrade option... sigh
     
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  17. juanchioooo

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    uninstall subscribed mods and try again
     
  18. GeraArg

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    I can't unsubscribe from DLC content (?)
     
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  19. memoNo1

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    Me too.
    Steam doesn't give me access..
     
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    I said the MODs, not the DLCs, but if I don't help I'm sorry
     
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