Released McLaren Historical Racecars!

patchedupdemon said:
I did a league with race of 50 mins at Singapore last week, it was brutal, only one straight you could take a quick sip of a drink and adjust ya plums.
It was mentally draining, towards the end I was pressing the pit lane speed lmiter button instead of Drs, my mind just went, I was exhausted at the end, not physically but mentally, and that was sitting in comfort in my bedroom experiencing no geforces, heat or fear.

I can’t even fathom what it would be like in real life, it gave me a whole new respect for the guys that do it, I mean they hit laps to within a targeted tenth, every lap, the mental strength they have is unreal, let alone the physical side of things
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I was thinking same , Singapore must be one of the most difilcult tracks out there ,
Not just major punishment for small mistakes but the intense heat ( as a spectator I was constantly having to drink water ) , the f1 drivers say it’s the only race they have to fill the onboard drinking tank up
( other races they avoid due to weight)

Watching live is so different to in tv
The f1 cars look as if they are going to crash at the corners but seem to fly around the corner as if on rails , a lockup is an event too

The fitness endurance & skill of those guys is incredible as well as those cars being able to hold together hard braking/accelerating for so long
 
I did t realise there was a difference of opinion ( not read everything )
Happy for there to be no probs

In a sim we don’t have the stress of gforces or fear of damage or death

We can run many more laps in comfort
so with practice & commitment (& decent setup) we could possibly equal or better the times if the pros

If these McLaren’s are faster with little practice or commitment then I strongly suspect they are dumbed down in some way
 
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Filip said:
Fastest simmers and fastest RL drivers shouldn't be more than 2 seconds apart on a 2 min lap if track conditions are similar.
Otherwise something is off: track, vehicle or sim.
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who 2secs faster? ( simmer or RL ?) I'm guessing either, agreed it should be close & 2 secs is a fairly wide gap on a 2 min lap
 
Postipate said:
Is this with any car and any track in world in any condition? how did you calculate this
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Advanced math :D
But i dont think real f1 drivers when driving in simulators get a difference that big.
This is one information i would like to have. How is lap times when they drive on simulators and when they are in track. Are they faster in sims? I believe not. Despite the physical hurt of gforces, it gives a lot more info about car behaviour than seated in a room
 
davehenrie said:
That is very common. We have not the fear of death or bodily injury and there are some users, or so I've been told, who understand how to exploit setups to achieve much faster times. Happens in almost every sim at almost every track with almost every car.
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I think fear of anything is not an issue for professional drivers while driving.
 
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Postipate said:
Is this with any car and any track in world in any condition? how did you calculate this
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Both can get maximum of their car but simmers have unlimited time and lack of fear and can experiment whatever combination so should be faster.
2 secs is my estimation, probably it is even less but 5 secs is too much imo if conditions are well simulated (of course sims are not perfect).

I think on old Norschleife in 60's F1 car when every little mistake can be fatal simmers would be lot faster.
On some modern safe track difference should be small.
 
An experienced driver at the top of his sport with a team backing him to review telemetry data to extract the last of the performance with the distraction of an accident at any point vs an enthusiastic amateur spending as much time as they are able to on their own with a simulator that tries to get as possible to the same conditions but without the fear of running into a tree.

I think there are too many unknowns on both sides to calculate what the difference should or shouldn't be to any accuracy. All I know is that that the chance they would be the same are small.
 
Filip said:
I think on old Norschleife in 60's F1 car when every little mistake can be fatal simmers would be lot faster.
On some modern safe track difference should be small.
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This made a lot of sense to me. Great insight
(not to mention how easily old racing cars broke for mistakes with overheated/underheatd brakes, wrong gearing....)
 
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