[REL] McLaren Historical Racecars!

Discussion in 'News & Notifications' started by Marcel Offermans, Sep 17, 2018.

  1. Adrianstealth

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    I was thinking same , Singapore must be one of the most difilcult tracks out there ,
    Not just major punishment for small mistakes but the intense heat ( as a spectator I was constantly having to drink water ) , the f1 drivers say it’s the only race they have to fill the onboard drinking tank up
    ( other races they avoid due to weight)

    Watching live is so different to in tv
    The f1 cars look as if they are going to crash at the corners but seem to fly around the corner as if on rails , a lockup is an event too

    The fitness endurance & skill of those guys is incredible as well as those cars being able to hold together hard braking/accelerating for so long
     
  2. Lazza

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    Come on guys, we all have opinions and they probably won't change no matter how much we argue. There's such a disconnect between real life and sims there's no absolutes, so don't stress about it.
     
  3. LokiD

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    Fair enough point taken .
     
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  4. Adrianstealth

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    I did t realise there was a difference of opinion ( not read everything )
    Happy for there to be no probs

    In a sim we don’t have the stress of gforces or fear of damage or death

    We can run many more laps in comfort
    so with practice & commitment (& decent setup) we could possibly equal or better the times if the pros

    If these McLaren’s are faster with little practice or commitment then I strongly suspect they are dumbed down in some way
     
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  6. Filip

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    Fastest simmers and fastest RL drivers shouldn't be more than 2 seconds apart on a 2 min lap if track conditions are similar.
    Otherwise something is off: track, vehicle or sim.
     
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    Is this with any car and any track in world in any condition? how did you calculate this
     
  9. Adrianstealth

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    who 2secs faster? ( simmer or RL ?) I'm guessing either, agreed it should be close & 2 secs is a fairly wide gap on a 2 min lap
     
  10. Louis

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    Advanced math :D
    But i dont think real f1 drivers when driving in simulators get a difference that big.
    This is one information i would like to have. How is lap times when they drive on simulators and when they are in track. Are they faster in sims? I believe not. Despite the physical hurt of gforces, it gives a lot more info about car behaviour than seated in a room
     
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    I don't think so. He was beaten, with ease (what it was expected):
    "Hemery again became UK Superstar, beating Conteh and Formula 1 World Champion James Hunt easily"
     
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    Becuase we're not getting our heads kicked in by g-forces and heat.
     
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    That is very common. We have not the fear of death or bodily injury and there are some users, or so I've been told, who understand how to exploit setups to achieve much faster times. Happens in almost every sim at almost every track with almost every car.
     
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    I guess we can slam into the walls countless times prior to producing that brilliant lap

    Less caution more risks until the dice rolls in our favour
     
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    I think fear of anything is not an issue for professional drivers while driving.
     
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    Both can get maximum of their car but simmers have unlimited time and lack of fear and can experiment whatever combination so should be faster.
    2 secs is my estimation, probably it is even less but 5 secs is too much imo if conditions are well simulated (of course sims are not perfect).

    I think on old Norschleife in 60's F1 car when every little mistake can be fatal simmers would be lot faster.
    On some modern safe track difference should be small.
     
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    An experienced driver at the top of his sport with a team backing him to review telemetry data to extract the last of the performance with the distraction of an accident at any point vs an enthusiastic amateur spending as much time as they are able to on their own with a simulator that tries to get as possible to the same conditions but without the fear of running into a tree.

    I think there are too many unknowns on both sides to calculate what the difference should or shouldn't be to any accuracy. All I know is that that the chance they would be the same are small.
     
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  19. AMillward

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    To be honest, when I'm lapping I only care about the other guys I'm racing against...
     
  20. Louis

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    This made a lot of sense to me. Great insight
    (not to mention how easily old racing cars broke for mistakes with overheated/underheatd brakes, wrong gearing....)
     

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