Master the secrets of race car setup

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  1. Race2Play

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    Avast acknowledging false positive and will fix

    Avast has acknowledged that their software is giving a false positive and will fix their Avast Antivirus software. We do not know how long it will take for Avast to resolve their own internal problems. While Avast is fixing their software, we recommend disabling your Avast software while installing and using the SetupFu Setup Wizard software.

    Those that wish to be refunded will be given a refund, but the Race2Play promo pricing can not be offered to you again after it has expired (soon) and Avast will not be compensating the difference in cost for the Setup Wizard software. So, you may be better off to hold on to your purchase and report the false positive to Avast (http://www.avast.com/en-us/contact-form.php) and request them to quickly resolve their false positive issue.

    UPDATE - Avast has informed us that "it will be fixed in the next VPS".

    UPDATE #2 - Avast says that it is now fixed. You may need to download the latest virus definitions, but they have fixed their false-positive issues.
     
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  2. DrR1pper

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    Out of interest, can you reference anyone in particular who uses your software in the real-world of motor racing? And how are you marketing it to them?
     
  3. MarcG

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    Nice idea and looks neat, not willing to shell out that much on it though. Most of the information I can gather from the internet and various Setup Help websites already.
     
  4. jimcarrel

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    I'm wondering if this program is an offshoot (rebuild) of the Race2Play Setup Developer, that disappeared some time ago. The tire temp segment worked on almost all serious sims except rF2 (I believe that is still the case - caused by current stage of tire development.)

    For me the Setup Developer worked perfect for Nascar 2003. I should add that everything but tire computations do work for rF2.
     
  5. MystaMagoo

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    1st Post
     
  6. Rich Goodwin

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    So, this works for ALL sims? not just rF2?
     
  7. Race2Play

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    The Setup Wizard software will work with any modern simulator as well as real-world cars.

    We first began developing this software back in 2003 after years of research and coding. Previous versions have been used with GPL, Nascar Racing 3, Nacar Racing 4, Nascar Racing 2003, GTR, GTR2, GT Legends, Race07, rFactor, Live for Speed, ARCA, netKar Pro, Game Stock Car, Formula Truck, ACTC, and iRacing.

    Most users have reported gains in lap time and, more importantly, gains in driver confidence at speed (read as "less spins") over a race distance. The one thing that everyone mentions is that they get those gains immediately, not after hours and hours of trial and error. They can take any setup, use the software, and go faster within minutes. Simply put, you can be racing for a completely different position in your very next online race. Instead of racing for 10th, you may be racing for a podium.

    Considering how many people are taking advantage of the $19.95 promotional price at Race2Play, you may just be racing for 20th in your next online race without it as many of your competitors are now using the Setup Wizard software. You could start reading books and hope to catch back up to them in the long distant future... or go faster today.
     
  8. Galaga

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    I could be wrong, but looks like insufficient inputs to get best result. Would be better if accepted motec data. No?
     
  9. Axe

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    is there any additional documentation, videos, examples...?
    from that short one I'm unable to get a whole picture and the homepage is a bit plain...
    if there is a manual for the application it could be enough...
     
  10. 88mphTim

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    Um, hasn't the program been out for like 2 days? Fine with asking questions, but some logic is probably required. :)

    To be honest, this (not the post I'm quoting) negativity is unbelievable. It's $20, and if you don't understand setups, it's there to help you out. If you don't want it, don't purchase it. You do know all the books you could buy instead, aren't free either? If you can find a free way to do it, great, if you can't, then now you have a solution.

    It's my understanding that R2P has a plan to market this to real racers eventually, and this should be a nice quick tool to help real racers, and the price seems OK for them. No?

    I've personally gone the wrong way first on a setup plenty of times, this will be very useful for me, and for many. It's another solution, not another problem, stop treating it like one. Sheesh.
     
  11. DrR1pper

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    lol, that's a fair point.
     
  12. jimcarrel

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    How did you SEE that and I missed it? (anyway I just purchased it)
     
  13. Rich Goodwin

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    OK guys I got Setup Fu this evening and spent 2 hours with it.

    My test is on iRacing but I have a reason for this. This is where I found out about Setup Fu, Tim seems in favour of it and race 2 play says rF2 is the pinnacle of physics or something similar on the page advertising it. Setup Fu claims to be good enough for real life or any realistic sim so I thought "you know what, I'm going to take it to a different sim and the hardest car on that sim for a real test". I chose iRacing and the Lotus 49 at Spa.

    No fanboy-ism, just wanted to take it away from where it seems most favoured.

    I am GREATLY impressed by this piece of software. I mean this honestly. I have absolutely no affiliation with the guys that make it or anything like that, either.

    I have no idea what bump stiffness, rebound or spring rates do and I'm a self confessed setup n00b. I took my baseline set up and made it very drivable and chopped over 3 seconds off my PB. Once I got the setup right I was still suffering understeer at a certain point of the track. Fired up the corner wizard, punched in the type of corner and my issue....understeer was gone on the next run. So so impressed. I realise this sounds like one of those corny testimonials you see on fake websites but I'm really THAT happy with it. if you can identify under or oversteer but don't know what to do about it, this is the ticket!

    I've a video the stream I did while I tested it. Two hours long....but you get the idea guys (may still be processing)

     
  14. SPASKIS

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    I see that you cannot introduce caster values in setups. When you edit the car you can specify that caster might be changed but later cannot introduce its value. This should be solved.
    Not a single help with gearbox settings. Just a nice chapter in the online wizard explaining basics.

    Improvements only apply to suspension. I didn't see a word either about brake bias or differential values.

    Possibility to directly import setups from sim should be included. Same could apply to veh and other vehicle configuration files where data as spring rate could hopefully be extracted.

    Solutions for corner improving are basically the same whether you choose entrance, apex and exit. It would be more useful if you could specify the behaviour at each stage and get one reccomendation balancing the way the car reacts at each one.

    I expected more about it and as it is right now. some areas of a setup are not covered. What happens if my brakes are not at the right temperature and i get out of brakes at the end of the race of my engine blows out for using too high revs?
    Isnt that a part of the setup? My first impression is disappointing. I hope they will to improve this software or my recommendation to all my sim mates will be not to purchase this program.

    Enviado desde mi GT-I9505 usando Tapatalk 2
     
  15. DrR1pper

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    Thank you for your review SPASKIS and Rich Goodwin.
     
  16. 88mphTim

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    Great review. I agree there's some essential additions needed. Hope they'll come.


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  17. Race2Play

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    Thanks for the input Spaskis.

    Allow me to touch on some of the topics:

    Yes, there are still some areas (caster in particular) that are not included in the calculations. Remembering that the primary market for this software is for real racers and that caster is rarely adjustable on real world cars, there was no need to offer certain setup advice (yet?). Diffs fit into this same category. Still, I have no doubt those will eventually make their way into the software.

    Solutions for entry/exit of corners are shown to vehicles with adjustable dampers, since it is the dampers that play a role in the specific phases of each corner, not the other components of a setup. For example, a spring adjustment will result in the car handling the same way all the way through the corner, not only on entry or exit. However, a damper adjustment can effect only entry or exit (but not apex). That information is there, you just need to be using the correct car settings.

    Depending on the support from sim-racing community, we may consider an importing function for cars/track/setups.

    And yes we are committed to the continued improvement of the Setup Wizard software and will be releasing regular updates for many years to come.
     
  18. Rich Goodwin

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    I agree with the need for caster adjustments. I also noted that there were no adjustments for Toe in/out either. As I said in my initial post I've no idea about setups so don't know what these do.... so an addition of this + camber would be good.


    I still stand by my assessment though. Made my car better for me :)

    EDIT: an oval specialist team mate says toe and caster need to be included.
     
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  19. Axe

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    I was really disappointed yesterday reading such comments too. While saying "sorry I can not see the value for the price" is completely acceptable and also good for the creator I can not understand how anyone can claim the right to judge the person and his motives. If a free stuff contributor/modder makes such claim I can understand but still do not agree. But I do not expect such claim because modders know how hard is to create something.

    For me it is far better to have the option to buy something than nothing even if it costs 100€. If I don't have such money or there is not enough value for me still there may be someone who welcomes such option.

    Now I am looking for the additional value comparing the old R2P tool which was very very useful for me back in my early stage of online racing seriously considering the purchase.
     
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    I think it affects the turn in ability of a car. You can turn in sharper and have less understeer if you increase this value. I always increase it by few clicks, suits my driving style I guess.
     

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