Latest Roadmap Update - February 2018!!!

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  1. burgesjl

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    In follow up to our previous discussion on graphics developments, there was some news today about upcoming NVidia displays. These are 4K, HDR and 144Hz that got announced in Jan 2017 and were supposed to ship last year, but are now expected to ship 'mid year' in 2018. These were badly delayed, either because of the updated GSynch tech needing work, or the panels needing work. This is significant because there are several non-HDR 1440p high refresh panels now available that currently define the 'sweet spot' of monitors that current graphics cards stand a chance of powering. Even a 1080Ti would not be able to drive these 4K HDR screens at 144Hz. In theory, the graphics card is technically capable of the resolution+HDR but not at the desired framerate. I'm not aware if there are also FreeSynch2 versions of the Acer/Asus monitors at this level (if not, could imply that the panels were the source of delay).

    Reason I post this: there's been no mention by S397 of support for true HDR (10-bit color). While very uncommon now, I can see it becoming much more popular in 2-3 years, because most 4K TVs already ship with this capability albeit the panels are not true 10-bit capability and below 3-400 nits brightness. This will come across to PC monitors when the graphics cards can drive this at 60Hz or better, and I think we will soon start to see cheaper low-end 4K+HDR monitors based on the TV tech and those might become the defacto baseline. [There are non-HDR 4K 60Hz monitors now, and since no-one is making/buying 1440p TVs, I think that'll get skipped]. If S397 have a 2-3 year 'capability development timeline', then its getting close to being required. PC2 software is apparently capable of HDR and can support 8K and 12K displays, though of course, these don't really exist and probably won't for the life of that title. I'm of the belief that HDR will be a game-changer in terms of graphics realism, moreso than more pixels. S397 have to support good performance at 4K on mid-to-high end cards, but I'd like to see that be 4K+HDR performance.

    I'd also note that DX11 was released in 2009; DX12 was released in 2015. Doubtless DX11 still has a long life ahead of it, and I'm sure S397 think they are only just starting to leverage what it can do. UE4 was released in 2014; I think it now supports DX12. In a couple of years pretty much everyone will be on Win 10 and have DX12-capable hardware and we'll have the first UE4 games from Kunos and maybe Sector3/Simbin; and I'd expect PC3 to use DX12. S397 won't want to port to DX12 having just done a port to DX11, within the next few years, but they may well need to start planning for it if they intend to support this title beyond 5 years. S397 did a pretty swift transition rather than maintaining code 'in parallel', something iRacing did for about 18 months and I'm sure they'll take the same approach next time.
     
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    I use a 17-inch with a native resolution of 1280x1024 at 75Hz. It was made in the decade previous.
     
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    S397 can you please fix the sun while its rain ?
    i mean if you play Nolla with rain at about 8.30 at the afternoon when sun is about o go down you ll notice that the whole scenery seems like a sunny day which has rain.
    like eating a hot icecream or something.
    please take a look and you ll see what i mean.
    rain = muddy weather.
    sun cannot be bright like its a sunny day.
    Also the rain is like spamming white lines it almost block my view and makes it less clear that is suppose to be in real life
    Please Tune it.
    Thanks :).
     
  4. burgesjl

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    Right, @UsedMomo. I have a very early generation 1920x1200 screen and its nearly 10 years old now. According to the Steam hardware survey, about 76% of gamers there run standard HD 1920x1080; only 0.5% run 4K and 3.5% run 1440p; and you are part of maybe 15% who run less then HD resolution. Over 90% have a DX12-capable graphics card on Win7 or Win10 which would suggest their hardware can support better screens and higher resolutions. But people aren't buying them; this includes the 'cheaper' 4K screens. Most people have a tendency to hold onto their monitors for far longer than the main PC. I'm in that boat myself; seems silly to buy a 10 series NVidia or Vega and then pair it up with a 1080p screen, doesn't it? I really don't want to buy a 1440p screen and there is little point in upgrading to a high-refresh rate 1080p screen either at this stage. Only 0.27% of Steam users currently run VR HMDs (I suspect it's a higher percentage for our particular simracing niche). Gamers are kind of stuck in a watershed at the moment until cheaper, higher capability 4K screens become the norm. Almost nobody buys a lesser than 4K TV now (yes, I'm a luddite with a plasma HD screen there too), the low-end ones are very cheap and selling like hot cakes, so pretty soon these manufacturers have to up the quality and then we will benefit when they come after our market. Consoles now will just about run 4K on those cheaper TVs.

    I've got a suspicion that rF2 users actually have older hardware and software than most simracers; I think those with iRacing, AC and PC2 generally run newer stuff. iRacing only pulled the plug on DX9 when about 85% of their community were shown to have the necessary capability. As S397 roll out graphics that push machines harder, a lot of users are going to have to upgrade or be left behind and I suspect the DX11 transition has already caused a lot of that. They have to push forward, though. I mean, if UE4 has all that great graphics, you can't run it on a potato system so Kunos and Sector3/Simbin must be confident there are enough people out there with good enough hardware to run their next-gen games or willing to upgrade.
     
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    Depending on position of sun and clouds, you can have both rain and sunshine, But on that note, they better add some rainbow too :p
     
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    True HDR == 10 bit color.
    This got to make people laugh for a while.
    Also full HD == 720p with crappy low bitrate youtube level encoding.
     
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    is there new roadmap?
     
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    Soon ™
     
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    March Roadmap should be out 31/03/2018 11:58pm +/- 1 minute. ;)
     
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    Coming on saturday
     
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    Can't wait anymore...
     
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    lol guys ..... I'm not the only one to "die of impatience" (french expression).

    In fact S397 has worked enormously this year and a half ..... but for the moment many things are not yet concetized, but I understand that.

    @Marcel Offermans
    It would be nice to have some news about the elements of realism (physics or other), just a little wish guys.
     
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    From January roadmap

    From February roadmap

    Hoping for this to be released today or tomorrow.
     
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    Just be careful not to confuse 'roadmap' with 'new build'. They are different things.
     
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  16. Voltaic

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    I feel your pain, but the wait will be worth it.

    In the meantime I bought KartSim to hold me over :)
     
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  17. Marcel Offermans

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    We are in the final stages of testing for those performance updates. There are still a few bugs we need to fix though. Bear with us... :)
     
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    How do they drive compared to the isi karts we have,I’m on holiday at the moment but will buy these in a wart best if they are better than the isi karts
     
  20. DrivingFast

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    Strongly better. Strongly.

    Real track data and real kart data is just theory ??


    In practice, all I thought about the absolute necessity of associating real circuit data (laser) and real car data in a real 2018 simulator is totally confirmed.

    The circuit graphics are almost the best of RF2 (attention of details).

    The sounds are very good. A must have.
     
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