Blammo. Oh, and ISR's posts on the iRacing forums always go the same way as this thread has. At this point, Darin has done an excellent job of pissing off a lot of the community, to the point it makes me wonder why people still care what some guy on the internet said. If you don't like the people, do it yourself, chances are you like yourself more than those people. Especially when the guy seemingly hasn't heard of FFB clipping - I'm pretty sure it can be done better - so do it. Ever think it comes down to the simple fact that rF2 is more or less dead in the public server environment? iRacing can sustain itself even with it's physics, because unlike any other sim out there currently it offers functional online racing of decent enough quality without joining a league. That fundamentally changes the way it should be looked at, as it is a "competitive" sim. Consider the existence of league mods, which offer precisely zero in the way of realism but are often used for the simple fact that it provides equal footing for everyone. If I'm racing offline, I don't want to have every car driving the same, if I'm racing online I don't mind it as it increases the competition in several cases. That said, the GPL league I used to race in had the fast guys in the slow cars and the slow guys in the fast cars, which created a fun dynamic, though many leagues do not take that approach. They are two different sims with two different approaches that require those two different approaches. If rF2 had more fledged out series you wouldn't have heard that comment either - consider that with the DW12 it seems we will have an Indycar that can race both road and ovals - but only one oval. While I'm looking forward to trimming out a virtual DW12 and holding on for dear life and avoiding the grey that is truly the grey now (can't wait!) - that also is "it" for the oval racing experience. It's just not fleshed out, and that was what he was getting at with his comment. Even online, one track and only one track will get pretty stale pretty quick. It's more content, but it's not a very "full" experience. The C6R here for example, only has a small handful of ISI provided courses it actually makes sense to race on, let alone the FISI which makes that problem even worse. You cannot look at the two in the same fashion because the way they work is different.