Yep absolutely. You are both right about the garage's so I might just mention garagedepth= as an option to keep it simple. The replay idea is very interesting. If it could be made into simple steps, that might just work for those that have trouble driving. Tell them thanks so much for the idea, excellent thinking Oh mate, it's a minefield for sure, that's why I'm interested in Binks tool. Being able to do all that in max is a godsend.