How come nobody is using rFactorCentral for new content?

Discussion in 'Third Party Content' started by call-911, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. Duvel

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    Ah, F1 classics. The place to go if you want a lot of mediocre mods that are downloaded by people who just say "thanks" to anything launched and don't ever say anything about physics because they don't seem to care, just want to collect new mods. Each mod i have downloaded there that was based on controversial models from games, had the most atrocious physics ever. I'm sure there are some good mods on there, and there are certainly some that don't rip from other projects (but you'll find those on all the reputable forums, too), but a site is only as good as it's community, and like i said, the driving experience and talking about the quality of physics seems less important than just pumping out half baked mods that are atrocious and collecting them like little kids.

    And I'm not even talking about the legality issue of their support of rippers, which in my opinion is something i do not support, at all. Honestly, a bad site for quality from what i have seen, but it's not as if i would spend any time there, not interested in sharing a forum with those who think ripping is fine.
     
  2. Abriel Nei

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    "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"...I wonder how many programs you have "ripped" even if you are so religiously preaching how anti ripping you are. But hey, I guess ripping programs is fine, just ripping tracks is a big no no.
     
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  3. gpfan

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    Lol, good point, i bet is hard Drive is full of ripped software!!!
     
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  4. John

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    @ Duvel - I won't even go where the other 2 have, almost nobody is a saint when it comes to actually paying for every single bit of software they use for their hobby.

    Tell me, if you are so against ripping, why did you download those mods? The hypocrisy is astounding.

    Who decides quality? Who chooses what feels real and what is arcade? Whenever anyone makes a mod there are cries of arcade, have you ever driven this car etc etc. Always nobody here has driven the car etc etc. So you demand realistic physics, but tell me, when a race driver that drives the car in real life says the car is realistic - the shouting is all about how the driver doesn't understand sims. So no matter who or what - it is never good enough. Anthony Davidson knows better than 99.999% of "sim" drivers how a modern F1 car drives - but 99% of sim drivers are just yelling rubbish about the Codemasters games. It was the same story about the GTR2 when it was first released, Simbin had a lot of feedback from the real racers and the sim community cries rubbish.

    Now, I agree, some of the conversions have questionable physics, the majority are fun to drive in a multiplayer server, but they are not simulations of the real car. Most are really good looking cars, well made models (commercial of course) but that doesn't guarantee they will convert in 1 click. Most good conversions from Forza or Codemasters have hundreds of hours of work added to get the cars into rfactor, that fact alone deserves some respect, even if it is on the dark side of modding.

    Most of the mods found at F1C havent originated there, but being a workshop type environment, a lot of guys and ladies are involved in fixing them up and making them better. This is a hobby after all, not a commercial enterprise.
     
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  5. iDTDoug

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    I dont see where anyone is telling anybody what to do. We are just answering the question posed in the threads title. Don't read between the lines because there's nothing there.

    I do remember when rfc was contemplating their business model, that modders felt betrayed like they would have no control, but anyone with any common sense knows that would have been illegal for Ignite to do, hence why it didn't work and they didn't do it. Still, it scared many modders away from rfc, thus the answer to the threads question.
     
  6. Duvel

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    Even if it were true that i have pirated software--which i assume is what you mean by ripping--I'll allow you to invoke silly scripture when I pirate, say, Photoshop, steal some of it's code and present it to the world as Photomart. Deal?

    And only my last comment quickly touched on whether i think it's wrong or OK to rip others work and use it as your own (crediting in a readme without permission does not get you out of this), my main point in this thread was simply to say that most ripped mods are total rubbish in terms of physics, and that's a good reason to bypass F1 Classics altogether.

    I think there are quite a few people out there that have no idea there is this moral controversy with some mods. At least by airing it in public, those people can then decide if they find it acceptable or not, but at least they get a chance to choose instead of join somewhere like F1 classics with no knowledge that what you do there is questionable in the eyes of the true modding community who make the best mods and respect one anothers work.

    Just seems to me you dislike any debate suggesting your site is a bit dodgy. Well don't make a dodgy site, then. And let people decide for themselves if they support it or not, but don't get mad when they have issues with it.
     
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  7. John

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    Thing is Duval, your casting judgments and making generalisations. One persons dodgy is another persons treasure trove. You made the statement "The place to go if you want a lot of mediocre mods that are downloaded by people who just say "thanks" to anything launched and don't ever say anything about physics because they don't seem to care, just want to collect new mods." which is what I am taking issue with. That is such an insulting generalisation. And it is totally wrong on so many levels. The fact is the volume of "dodgy" conversions far outweighs the "respectable" (your word) modders, so of course if you download a few "dodgy" mods - which is a point you haven't answered, the chances of arcade physics is heightened But still, as I said, who decides what is arcade and what is realistic.

    Most so called sim racers would not have a clue, because they don't drive the cars in real life. So who is to say what is good and what is crap? Don't like it? get involved, offer help, solutions etc. Heck even some of those dodgy mods are made by members of respectable mod teams, remember, every member at F1 Classic is also members of most of the other sim sites.

    The dodgy forum that I help administer is an open community, not a mod team, every single mod in the threads is made by different members of that community, so comparing is unfair, but that aside, because everyone is entitled to their own opinion, nobody forced you to register, and nobody forced you to download against your will.

    Back to the actual topic at hand - rfactor central has always been a valuable resource, and the modder boycott over rumours and innuendo is just typical of the pettiness of some people. RFC is still free to download from (as long as the links are still up) and I have never paid a cent there at all. I don't understand the negativity to it, apart from the rating system which needs an overhaul. Stick to a mod of the month system of endorsments like the Nexus sites do for the Oblivion & Skyrim communities - that would be a far better way to rise the cream to the top.
     
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  8. pay2021

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    Whats the point of accusing someone? I do not understand the anger about what others do? If it is a police understand it, but I think that there is much resentment. There are political that stolen money to children but instead is attacking someone who does something a pc game.
     
  9. Duvel

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    This is a forum about rfactor, no? So there is your answer.

    Just because some people discuss passionately their views on something trivial in the scheme of the worlds problems doesn't mean they don't care or put thought or time into more meaningful things.
     
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    Discuss passionately their views is something, accusing someone is other thing and yes this a rFactor forum, not "The Usual Suspects" forum.
    And i don't want go trought personal issues, maybe you people can meet together and talk, at least virtually.
     
  11. Petros Mak

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    Well it looks like there is going to be a new modders hub opening soon. I can't say who they are yet but I got contacted with an invitation to support the new site and post our mods there. Apparently they will allow modders to post mods for rF, rF2, RACE07, Asserto Corsa and some other games as they get released etc.

    I'll try and keep you all posted once I get news that their site is public, but sounds like it could become a great hub for getting all your sim-racing mod needs. After having spoken to them about their site, rating system. I think it has the potential of becoming one of the fairest and most well produced mod showcasing sites we've seen.
     
  12. Golly

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    Sounds very exciting Petros indeed.:)
     
  13. call-911

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    Nice!!! Can't wait!! For someone who doesn't have a lot of disposable time, I would love to have a public rating system to show me which tracks and mods I can pass on.... by "pass", I mean not waste my time.. ;)
     
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    We definitely need some kind of central location for all the mods, missing one because you looked in the wrong place is painful.
     
  15. SimRacingBase

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    Here we go!
    SimRacing Base is now open triyng to make a 'Base' of simracing mods for all simulators, following few months the simracing community will be shocked with Assetto Corsa, rFactor 2 and many others, our aim is to keep all the fantasy mind and the professional attitude of talented guys who wants to made addons for our beloved simulators. Our place will welcome all kind of mods like single cars, race series, tracks, skins etc.. Everything will be approved from us just to keep a fair modding community, illegal conversions and modification without the agree of the original author will be not considered. Our objective is to make a good place for modding and open to comments and reviews. We also welcome all modding team to send wip project and completed project, and (we are very proud of this) we are open to have an Hardware section where professional and not can add his own hardware piece like wheel addons, shifters, pedals, simrig and everything connected to the simracing. We know it will be hard, but we hope to start a little revolution!

    SimRacing Base Team

    http://www.simracingbase.com/
     
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    Thanks for providing this Bram!
     
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    Very interesting reading indeed. IMHO it shows people still have a great deal of passion for sim racing, this has to be a good thing. Best of luck and health to all. :)
     
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    Well done! I really like the layout of the site! I just hope it will become THE place to be! Any possibility to register/add a forum?
     

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