Discussion in 'Vehicles' started by Arnao, Dec 27, 2012.
Can you not just do it and issue an update?
Or do you need more information?
Well, there are more things to it; I need permission from the maker for starters.
Second; it's going to take a while. Third; if I work on this, I want to make it proper.......
And that last one says a lot. I can't "just fix a problem".......I want to finish it of.
No disrespect to the makers(!!!!) but I can see things were not finished and if I start working on this; I want to finish it too.
And that's going to take A LOT of time........
Brings me to the last point; I "bumped my head" before on making or adjusting things; putting a lot of my time in and for almost nothing.
I see guys like Spinelli and Hexagramme in the other topic giving me a hard time, calling me aggressive and I go of and make this mod (for others and) them??
Most guys here rather see me leaving. Things I made, were downloaded but not even a "thank you".......
Sorry, I don't see the point.
First you blame me for showing interest and trying to re-ignite old mods (including this one), and now you also have that to say?? Come on, man, just stop. We all want the same thing, great rFactor 2 mods. That's all. And i wouldn't rather see you leaving (as you put it), in fact I greatly appreciate any work you or any modder does.
Back to this mod. Is the only problem just the flickering with the Tyrell?
Well, I told you I could see your point and asked several times if you could see mine; you never answered to that......you just tried to justify over and over again and called me aggressive. I didn't blame you as I said: "I did see your point!", I got why you did that, but I would have done it differently.
Right there! THATS why I don't feel motivated for picking this up.
But; "Is the only problem JUST the flickering with the Tyrell?" ........... Why don't you do it? Just one small problem........
Hhmmmm, just time to move on, I guess.
Nav if you can solve the black screens please do it and offer it here, all will appreciate it.
It's to long ago and I can't remember.....so a few questions first:
- It was only the Tyrell?
- It started after the upgrade from the cockpit? (Why wasn't the old cockpit put back than?)
- Is it at all tracks or is there some difference to it?
I reinstalled the mod just now but I can't see or remember what I did........starting to think it was more of a fluke than wisdom
So I will work on it, but I can't promise a nice solution right away, sorry.
To Arnao; do you give me permission to look into this and (hopefully) fix it in order to upload it here?
Next question; after that, are you going to work further on this mod or do you give me permission to work on it and upload it here?
Now that is constructive progress
The biggest problem was with the Tyrell, don't remember if it was so much with the other cars. Most of the flashing problem was when player detail was on high or above. Wish I could remember what the rF2 build number was at end of testing. Seems it was problem with shadows and shaders. I know Zonder worked tirelessly. I have no way of knowing who all the testers were, but lots of PM's were exchanged.
I've looked for all the test builds, but I guess I deleted them over time.
Is the flashing of the cockpit of 1 single car (Tyrell) really the reason why this mod - one of the greatest and popular rF1 mods, ever - was stopped being worked on? Surely there must have been more to the story than just some graphical cockpit issues of 1 single car...
I have an old build and I think that one without the problem; I will look into that.
Spinelli; trying to find that out......I think it's strange too.
Put the old cockpit in and it's okay? I don't know, hoping for information here.
very good christmas news if someone restart to work on 1979 mod for rF2!
(and Arnao, and all people worked on the project)
Well......still need permission and more info
The reason imho the project stopped was that needed work on updating the cockpits by Zonder stopped, I guess he was frustrated by the flashing?
Anyway, without fresh cockpits mod looks terribly outdated.
"without fresh cockpits mod looks terribly outdated"
I meant to do the fix (if I'm still able to) and work on the physics and such; "painting" is REALLY not my thing. I mess up to make just a dot.
So if that is still needed.......this mod ain't gonna be finished.
I wanted to work on the HDV, engine and so on as I saw there was still work to do.
Probably not the best idea to pick it up if there are things to be done that I can't do.
I agree with the looking outdated part. The cockpit is the most important part of a car's graphics in my opinion since it's what we spend most of our time seeing while playing. I can therefore see why that could be the cause of so much frustration. Excuse my ignorance as I know nothing about graphics modelling, but what makes these cars different to so many other cars in rF2 with regards to being able to have nice cockpits?
Physics and then FFB are obviously the most important part of driving a car, I really, really hope this can be done.
I'm pretty sure the cockpit for the Ferrari was from scratch by Zonder. I'm not sure but maybe just bringing the texture components up to date might be the fix. The last time I was serious about driving the mod (two or three builds ago) I don't think I had any problems with it.
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If a project is stalled and someone makes an offer to sort one section out you should gladly accept the work they intend to do.
Once one problem is solved it will create interest in the mod again and someone else my be inspired to do other work.
Many people who love to race do not care about graphic perfection; they do not tolerate bugs though.
Wim, maybe you can find help from someone else to clean up the cockpits and other visual. If you could just fix the black screen, that's more than enough and everything else is just a bonus.
There is another graphic bug with all cars.. Parts of opponent cars will dissappear sometimes (often when you are close to them) and then reappear again. When it disappears it looks like the driver is sitting on the ground while driving. This happens always when driving the Ferrari and using the swingman cam too, for example.
Crap......all of the sudden, without doing something, I don't get the black screen anymore
I did make some changes, had the screen after that again, so I did not fix it. In the car, I was trying out all seat positions and after putting it back in the same place (default pov, 100/10 or -100, see what's normal) I don't get it back.......not after restart or anything.
So at this moment, I can't reproduce the bug. Have to dive in that one first.
But; anyone who has this mod installed, could you try and see if this happens at your machine too? Just go to all the values, low, high, front and back.
Busy with it, but running into problems as you see.
I don't want to share it at this moment to try it out as I don't have permission yet.
I had a brief consult with Arnao, but he had a very good reason to postpone the dialog. I have to wait for it and I will; not going to rush that.
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