G25/27 horrendous rattling

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Tim Wheatley said:
The kerbs are a 3D shape, and you are hitting them. Perhaps ask if they drive over those kerbs in real life, or do they avoid them because of how large they are, or how big their teeth are? You are getting unfiltered feedback of your wheels running over it. Either filter it, to reduce it's effect, or don't run over them.

Yes, kerbs and tarmac feel different... Kerbs are not as smooth as tarmac of a racing surface. Kerbs have more of an effect on the car than the tarmac of a racing surface. If you want to keep FFB of the same strength, no matter what the surface, you're asking for something totally alien to racing cars.
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I'm assuming you don't use a G27, because if you did, you would know this rattling is not normal.

Perhaps you can help us understand where we can "filter" this one and only effect, because the only real way to get rid of this terrible rattling is to turn FFB all the way off.

This is the only "simulation" that does this, so there has to be something ISI can do to help us poor G27 owners out.
 
MarcG said:
Again Tim you need a sticky detailing everything related to FFB, why it is the way it is, the way it works etc etc repeating yourself over and over again is going to give you a headache (if it has'nt already!) and as I've said before it *WILL* get worse once Gold and more people with G25/G27s come and find out why their wheels rattle!
At least with a sticky you just have to point them to a the thread detailing everything, if they then cant understand why *some* curbs are designed big to keep drivers off then thats their problem!
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You must not own a G27 either because if you did, you would agree with us, that something needs to be done.
 
hoser70 said:
I'm assuming you don't use a G27, because if you did, you would know this rattling is not normal.

Perhaps you can help us understand where we can "filter" this one and only effect, because the only real way to get rid of this terrible rattling is to turn FFB all the way off.

This is the only "simulation" that does this, so there has to be something ISI can do to help us poor G27 owners out.
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Prime example Tim, sticky a thread with the filter setting (thats mentioned hundreds of times in this thread hoser70) and lock this bad boy!
 
Other, far more expensive wheels have FFB issues with RF2 as well -

http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/7952-General-FFB-weirdness
http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/8069-Fanatec-CSW-death-rattle-with-F2-car
http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/7860-FFB-harsh-on-track-bumps
http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/8078-Loss-of-FFB-upon-reentering-Track-with-CSW

Ah well, nothings perfect. I don't know if ISI can improve the FFB but I want them to. I think its great as it is, once I'd got my settings sorted. I also think my G27 is fantastic. Loving it all! Can't wait for update.
 
The rFactor engine knows when to throw stones up in the air for a visual effect when you go off road. So why cannot we have setting for off road and one for curbs.

This software is for entertainment so if the majority of us want curbs that do not shake our wheels to bits or produce too much noise for the domestic environment that is what should be provided with.

ISI should code the software to provide what we want and what we want is the ability to tune out this one problem!
 
Scott Juliano said:
I've been testing rF2 for... a long time now... on my old G25 and it's received no damage, so no worries there. But yes, it IS pretty loud off track...
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WHAT! Wheel has received no damage so it's OK? It's awful. It's also very unbalanced. This is Beta so it can be fixed. Give us the control of our own FFB. Don't force it on us til we ruin our wheels. I think the FFB on the pavement and the off track stuff is way off. As in- no feel on the track and grass feels like curb.
 
I am also noticing that the FFB is coming on and off randomly. As in I can feel weight on the steering wheel when I steer right or left- but no weight to tires or track. I have FFB in the practice and warmup qualify. Then when I change to actual race the FFB just shuts off. Not all the time, but alot.
 
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Thingriz said:
WHAT! Wheel has received no damage so it's OK? It's awful. It's also very unbalanced. This is Beta so it can be fixed. Give us the control of our own FFB. Don't force it on us til we ruin our wheels. I think the FFB on the pavement and the off track stuff is way off. As in- no feel on the track and grass feels like curb.
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You do have more control with this title already than any other software, or any genre, as far as I'm aware. You have the option to add the filtering you are being told to add, or not to. You have that control. You do. You. :)

Grass is bumpy, kerbs are bumpy. They do everything they can to make tracks NOT bumpy. That's how they are, that is how they are simulated, that is what you're feeling. You're asking for massively unrealistic FFB levels, giving you an advantage no real driver ever has. Most of the time they avoid kerbs when the car is loaded on that side... Add filtering if you don't like the FFB unfiltered.
 
HuntTheShunt said:
This software is for entertainment so if the majority of us want curbs that do not shake our wheels to bits or produce too much noise for the domestic environment that is what should be provided with.

ISI should code the software to provide what we want and what we want is the ability to tune out this one problem!
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And you can, by adding filtering.

We have. You have the ability to filter it.
 
argo0 said:
Other, far more expensive wheels have FFB issues with RF2 as well -

http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/7952-General-FFB-weirdness
http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/8069-Fanatec-CSW-death-rattle-with-F2-car
http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/7860-FFB-harsh-on-track-bumps
http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/8078-Loss-of-FFB-upon-reentering-Track-with-CSW

Ah well, nothings perfect. I don't know if ISI can improve the FFB but I want them to. I think its great as it is, once I'd got my settings sorted. I also think my G27 is fantastic. Loving it all! Can't wait for update.
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Those issues with other wheels are nothing to do with this threads subject.
 
MarcG said:
Prime example Tim, sticky a thread with the filter setting (thats mentioned hundreds of times in this thread hoser70) and lock this bad boy!
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There's a nice, useful thread at the top of the forum with the title 'getting started' which would allow people getting started to see how to add filtering, if they got started there.

It's also going to be in the UI soon.
 
hoser70 said:
I'm assuming you don't use a G27, because if you did, you would know this rattling is not normal.

Perhaps you can help us understand where we can "filter" this one and only effect, because the only real way to get rid of this terrible rattling is to turn FFB all the way off.

This is the only "simulation" that does this, so there has to be something ISI can do to help us poor G27 owners out.
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Yes, and it's the only simulation to offer unfiltered FFB. To get rid of this that you don't like, add filtering.

The "getting started" thread in this forum explains how to add filtering. Get started there...
 
From:
http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/5304-Get-Started-Here-(how-to-purchase-faq-etc)

Q. The Force Feedback is strong and noisy on my Logitech G25/G27?
A. Yes. This is because most racing games and simulations filter Force Feedback. We, by default, do not, because most wheels can take it unfiltered without issue. However, the G25 and G27 are noisy when it is not filtered. If you want to add filtering:
Open controller.ini with notepad and adjust the following line to a number we recommend between 2 and 8 (maximum is 32):
Steering torque Filter="0"
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