FIA Formula Two Williams JPH1B Released

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  1. osella

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    I hope this whole post is a joke.. don't tell me you're one of those people who think that all you need to get to F1 is being a mediocre driver and having rich parents.
     
  2. 88mphTim

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    I think Senna offered to drive for free for Williams. Some of them do have their priorities right. :)
     
  3. Timpie Claessens

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    Yes Maldonado is in F1 purely on driver skills ;)
     
  4. Schueppe

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    Actually he is a talented drive only unconsistent(Karikeyan, hopfully written right, would have been a better example), that's something you can fix with experience. But none of the current F1 drivers are completley unskilled even if they pay for their spot.
     
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    Hmm, I would say he has more problems than that, such as driving into people on purpose, which is shameful.
     
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    I disagree, there is more to steering feel than downforce, and the slower a vehicle moves, the heavier the steering would be, up to a point obviously (moving a road car steering wheel when stationery, feels very heavy, and the wheel going light at high speed on a motorway. Obviously the lightness is caused by lack of downforce but my point remains, there should be progressively more ffb, not none and then suddenly arriving when high speed occurs.
     
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    So judging by the replies, this isn't adjustable while driving in the Formula 2 car. Will this be available in other cars later, or possible in mods? Isi staff?
     
  8. mikeyk1985

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    As far as I know personally, the only cars you can adjust diff settings on are Modern F1 cars, Rally cars and some road cars like the Subaru Impreza.
     
  9. 88mphTim

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    You'll only ever be able to adjust things they can really adjust.
     
  10. Gearjammer

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    That is the answer I at least was looking for Tim, hehe, Keep it as real as possible. :)
     
  11. tjc

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    Yip me too...

    :)
     
  12. Christian Rosén

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    Then there should also be a setting where ABS and anti-spin and all such "aids" is automatically enabled depending on what car is used, i mean why make it even harder than IRL!
     
  13. osella

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    Well I'd always want to play with no aids, despite real car using them simply that I don't get used to them. You can get used to aids in a minute but going back can take a long time.
     
  14. Christian Rosén

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    I prefer realism always, and i have no aids enabled in rF2, (not even auto-clutch) since i haven't a clue what technology is used IRL on the simulated car i drive for the moment, and also because there is no servers allowing it.

    But I have no problem adjusting my driving-style depending on which car i'm driving. I mean its already so different to drive all the released ISI cars from the different eras and classes.

    If a simulated modern race-car with all the latest technology (to help you drive as fast and safe as possible) would have ABS or traction control it seems very strange for me to not implement that into the simulation.
    Its hard enough (unrealistic) for me to not have all sensory inputs as IRL.

    I'm more into hardcore=realism then hardcore=as difficult as possible (which is even more unrealistic).
     
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  15. osella

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    I'm pretty sure all top level open wheel series ban like F2 ban all aids.
    But the GTR and Meganes, GT3 etc. may allow TC/ABS, not sure.
     
  16. osella

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    I don't view it this way.
    If a real car uses no aids and you do, it is unrealistic.
    If a real car allows them and you don't, you just make it harder for yourself but its not unrealistic, because usually those aids could be turned off easily on the real car.

    What is really wrong, is using TC on a 60s F1, but not using it on a modern gt car with tons of grip already is ok.
     
  17. Gearjammer

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    For me, since day one of messing around with racing sims/games I have had all assists off and that is the way I like it. Modern cars may well use them, but the rules only say that the systems are allowed, not required. I believe you can be a much better driver if you learn how to control a car without the aids.

    One of the first complaints I hear from people that have always used aids is that the cars in X sim are too difficult to drive without the aids. If they would spend the time and learn to drive without them, then they would realize that the aids are merely a crutch that replaces good driving technique and a skilled driver who doesn't use aids in most situations will be faster than a person who can't control the car without aids.

    Just my 2 cents here.
     
  18. Christian Rosén

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    To make one thing clear, I'm generally speaking of all simulated cars, and ofcourse it's equally unrealistic to enable a "aid" which never been on the car from beginning!

    I just want the car itself to have all these features built in the simulated car, and eventually being able to fiddle with them in the garage settings (those aids that are allowed to fiddle with and maybe even map buttons to the wheel), and not in a game menu for all cars.

    If a real modern car uses latest technological advances and it really helps the driver going faster, and then we choose not to simulate it in a race-simulator, is more unrealistic to me.

    And i seriously doubt any real race driver would disable such functionality if it helps them to be faster!? Isn't this all that racing is about?

    But if those "aids" in reality makes the car slower (but safer), then its realistic to be able to turn them off, if its allowed in reality.

    For me anyway its even more unrealistic to "cheat" by exploit physic glitches in the setup or cut the track or whatever is possible in a simulation but isn't in reality, but at the same time i understand why, since its a competition. I equal it to using steroids to get to the top in real life sport, you eventually get there but with a bitter taste afterwards. :D
     
  19. Gearjammer

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    Think of it this way, without aids, if the driver had to learn how to drive the car properly he would be just as fast as the guys running the aids. The problem with a lot of the motorsport series out there is they want more entertainment and not better racing. To accomplish this, they introduce restrictor plates, aids to equalize the driving skills, tires designed to wear at a specific point etc etc etc.

    We all know how little fun it is to run on the track alone either behind everyone else or ahead of everyone else. It is more fun to run near others so there is a fight for position, and the organizations that control motorsports know that the fans want to see this all the time. If a wreck happens during, all the better. The only reason there are systems like KERS is because the racers actually wanted to be able to pass someone and were not able to do so with the way the cars and rules were designed.

    Look at NASCAR as an example. How many laps going around and around do they do and they still can't pull away from the other guys. NASCAR setup their rules, and the track owners setup the tracks to ensure this would be the case.
     
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  20. 88mphTim

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    Use whatever amount of aids you want, that is what they are there for. It's a simple premise really. :) But we're not going to code aids that don't exist for a car, such as DRS on a car which never had it.
     

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