Alrightee then I'm going to take you guys advice and try fanaleds then. I have been very tight with installing anything beta or in development in addition to running rf2 beta. My machine is dedicated to rf2. It has windows and rf2 on 1 ssd, no other drives, no other progs, all windows features and services disabled unless needed. I kinda also thought fanaleds was more for the newer wheels, so was going to look at it after I sold my left nut to pay for the new wheel with both rims, and the new 6gig Radeon, some watercooling for the FX8, simvibe with 4 kickers, 3 actuators and control box, a welder, a nostromo, mini touch screen.......sure I've forgotten loads, did I say left nut? I meant both nuts and a lung.