F1ASR92 by F1 ASR Modding Team (car by car)

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  1. Sderenno

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    Regarding the physics, I think in the first place should always be the feeling / feedback.

    As I said, I will pick to use the steering wheel to September, in the meantime I am collecting material.

    We hope to square the circle.

    1.7 physics is not very historically accurate, but without considering the year I think it's very rewarding.

    Have to work a bit on if I had the chance to test it already I think we got what we want.
     
  2. Andy_rsrf

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    Please, please, please... Visor Mod.



    safety first... :cool:



    Thank you very very much!


    Edit: my open wheel race car...

    [​IMG]

    no mercy! safety first...
     
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  3. Damian Baldi

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    I think everybody should try to do some laps with 150 o 200 litres. You have to brake early, turn in at a lower speed and fight a lot with the wheel. Its a good point of reference.
     
  4. Slamfunk3

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    +1
    If we're looking to be historically correct then in 92 there was no refueling. As such you had to fill the car full of fuel for all the races. Driving these cars with the extra (moving) weight makes them really come alive.
    Also for those who like me race these againt the AI, they do run all sessions full on fuel. So if in practice you're faster then them in reality you're not ;)
     
  5. Damian Baldi

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    I been doing some laps at Portugal circuit.

    I started with 200 litres (full tank) lapping in 1.18 while fuel was used, tires become older, but times get the same into 1.18

    After 50 litres of fuel consumed, tires were all in yellow, and left front in red. The car was difficult to drive so I started to make some mistakes. I went to the pits to get new tires, and immediately started to get lap times in 1.16


    EDIT: I think that the mistake is to test the cars with low fuel and new tires for 4 or 5 laps. That should be a qualy attempt but not a race rhythm. In a race you never have low fuel and new tires, because when you consume most of the fuel, the tires should be already at the end of his life.
     
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  6. Damian Baldi

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    That's pretty damn realistic if you ask me. Again, in 92 races were one stoppers for tires. 50 liters at Estoril is around 25 laps, half race distance is like 35. I'm fairly certain that with a bit of care and setup work you could make those 10 extra laps. Imagine a full race distance league race with these cars. Strategy, speed, brains.... sounds great to me.

    Totally agree with your edit. I practice with a half tank for a good compromise full race setup.
     
  8. Guimengo

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    There's no problem going for low fuel and a handful of laps on the soft tires. You can match up vs Friday/Saturday practice times from F1 and then take into account how they had specific qualifying tires - indicating it's easy to imagine beating pole laps by 4-5s with just as soft tires (it is already easy to match pole times with no previous practice), and that's a combination of the very short braking distances and the great amount of grips the cars have through corners.
     
  9. Damian Baldi

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    I agree with you about the brakes, but the test I made is good to do it too.

    I don't know about physics. I just can say what I feel from the car. It needs longer braking, more final speed, but at the same time, same low speed grip. How to do it? I have no idea, I just hope they can do it.

    The few races and fights I have had, they been a blast !
     
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    These cars drive so good, the inmersion is incredible, but in my opinion the rear of the car is too gentle to the driver's mistakes. There's a point when sliding the rear of the car where it should be completely unrecoverable, but actually you can recover quite big slides that in those cars should always end up in a spin.
     
  11. Damian Baldi

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    I made a comparison last night. I did some laps at Portugal with the Mazda 787b from Mak Corp. That car still need work about low speed grip, but it was a good reference about brake points. That car lap in 1.26 instead 1.16
     
  12. Sderenno

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    this is what I would try on my return:
    - Less grip (about 30%)
    - Less weight (about 150Kg)
    - Less power (about 10%)
    - Greater max downforce (about 20%)

    Simple files modification.
     
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  14. Guimengo

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    Ahhhhhhhhhh so the weird sidepod bend issue actually comes from it being too much of a reflective surface, and it's the whole portion not just the 90ยบ angle portion!
     
  15. Damian Baldi

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    Less weight ? the cars work a lot better with more weight at the moment like with full tank.
     
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    Sorry, but less 30% of grip is a huge reduction?!
     
  17. Sderenno

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    considered all modifications together, but is a test.
     
  18. Guimengo

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    [​IMG]

    Gotta start somewhere :D
     
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    Tanks very so much
     
  20. Shamrock

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    I have some stats for you to use at your disposal. Taken from a website. Although, they are taken from 1991 cars (from their forums).

    http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6113

    McLaren MP4/6 Honda 780 bhp @ 14,800rpm Fuel Cap unknown
    Tyrell 020 honda
    Williams FW14 Renault 770 bhp @ 14,200rpm Fuel Cap 220l
    Brabham BT60Y Yamaha 700+ bhp Fuel Cap 220l
    Footwork FA12 Porsche 650 bhp @ 12,000 rpm Fuel Cap 200l
    Lotus 102B Judd 640+ bhp @ 11,750 rpm Fuel Cap 210l
    Fondmetal FometF1 Cosworth 620 bhp @ 11,250 rpm Fuel Cap 220l
    Leyton House CG911 Ilmor
    AGS JH25 Cosworth 620 bhp @ 11,250 rpm
    Benetton B191 Ford 730 bhp @ 13,500 rpm
    Dallara 191 Judd 710 bhp Fuel Cap 210l
    Minardi M191 Ferrari
    Ligier JS35B Lamborghini 700 bhp @ 13,800 rpm Fuel Cap 215l
    Ferrari 642/2 & 643
    Lola L91 Cosworth 620 bhp @ 11,250 rpm Fuel Cap 190l
    Coloni C4 Cosworth 620 bhp @ 11,250 rpm Fuel Cap 205l
    Jordan 191 Ford 730 bhp @ 13,500 rpm Fuel Cap 212l
    Lambo 291 Lamborghini 700 bhp @ 13,800 rpm Fuel Cap 210l


    Here is 1992 McLaren MP4-7A Has weight of cars, etc as well. (look at sidebar for other cars, not all are available)
    http://www.f1technical.net/f1db/cars/722/mclaren-mp4-7a
     
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