Extremely Dangerous Unexpected Behavior in rF2

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  1. lagg

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    You say this and call other idiots? Sure?
    You can stop using this game and let others assume their risks, meanwhile they wait to the developers to solve the problem.
     
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    I agree with your first comment. I also think that he might not be totally wrong about removing the functionality of a DD wheel (which I do have) until they fix it. Reason being, I know there is an issue and I assume the risk. Someone new to the game more than likely would find out about this issue as many of us did, with a WTF!! moment that could potentially injure them.

    Ultimately it should be a priority for them to fix so that doesn't happen. I don't have much faith in that being taken care of soon though.
     
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    @lagg,

    I never called anyone an Idiot, and when you Assume something, it puts the Ass in U and Me.

    Their should be no Risk of Injury while playing a game.

    J
     
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    Could you explain the intention of this comment?
     
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    I agree that there is a problem, but once we know the problem we can choose tho take the risk and use a DD, or stop playing the game, or reduce the force, or buy another wheel, etc.
    The solution isn't force the rest to stop playing this game, because i don't accept that the error.
    Knowing the error, we can avoid any injury taking the wheel with force (not too much) before to clic on the Race button.
    I've a DD too. An OSW - Small Mige 20 Nm.
     
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    I completely agree, only thing is that those who don't know like we do. That is why I feel it is important that S397 take this seriously so someone just trying to have some fun a game doesn't get hurt.
     
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    Would it much easier to force the restart procedure highlighted above? Disabling a menu option is probably easier than finding the bug and much more popular than disabling the use of DD wheels as that would eliminate 50% of the player base.
     
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    Yes, of course.
     
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    I love the way you pluck figures out of thin air :p

    The game couldn't reliably disable DD wheels anyway - fairly often it already can't find very popular wheels, there's no way it can work out whether every wheel connected to it is 30Nm or 2Nm.


    From a coding point of view I think the game needs an internal FFB mult that gets raised in realtime and sits at 1.0 once it gets there. Then look at situations that could lead to a jarring (like resuming from replay, unpausing, leaving the car, whatever) it gets dropped to 0.0. It shouldn't take too long to identify all those scenarios and simply reset that variable.

    The other thread with the wheel seemingly turning left in the UI may need something else.
     
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    You keep missing the point.
    So your brakes failed. Its not up to the different company who made the calipers warn you.
     
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    I guess so, I don't understand how S397 not fixing a problem with their game isn't their responsibility. A wheelbase isn't the problem here.
     
  12. John R Denman

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    Because its not S397's problem.
    Can S397 fix it? sure, but the programmer that fixed hardware interfaces for for free died of starvation. :)

    Liability is not in S397 court. Period. That doesn't mean we won't see a fix released, but lets take a look at what that costs.

    How many wheels does S397 have to buy to make you happy they've corrected these types of things on all the potential units of hazard; can you quote us a budget for that?

    Maybe those hardware plug-ins can come up with some intelligent algorithms themselves. I can think of at least one method.
     
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    I can see you have a very different take on things and that is fine. It is S397s problem as their software/game is causing the problem. They even have presets for DD wheels built into their game. If they said they didn't support DD wheels and to use them at your own risk then no issue here, but they do.

    I am not trying to change your mind and to be honest I don't really care if you agree (nor should you) but the fact of the matter is that S397 software/game has an issue that could hurt someone who is unaware of this BUG. If you know about it and choose to continue to use it and get f#cked up, it's on you/me. Now to know about a dangerous issue and not fix it or warn about it is wrong, period.
     
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    My take is based on the fact that it's not the S397 product thats causing the danger. True they offer some interface setups.

    However my question still stands;
    How many wheels does S397 have to buy to make you happy they've corrected these types of things on all the potential units of hazard; can you quote us a budget for that?
     
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    But it is their game that causes the problem, it's a known and repeatable issue that causes the wheel to snap suddenly. As far as how many wheels they need to buy to correct the issue, I would say none as WE ARE TELLING THEM THERE IS AN ISSUE and they aren't fixing it or do anything to warn about it.

    This has got nothing to do with everybody gets a trophy and letting people blame others when they do something dumb, people should be accountable for stupidity. This isn't one of those situations though. If you know something is wrong and it can hurt someone then you should step up and make it a priority to fix it, you owe it to the people who support you.

    Anyway, I shake your hand and hope that this gets taken care of.
     
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    I think that this is an endless debate.
    IMO, the important is that S397 could sort this problem and would be good for their users and their game.
     
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    THEY HAVE NOT IDEA HOW TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE !!
    This is the truth... Great simulator... great tires .... great rain reflection .... but they are unable to solve the problem otherwise they would have done it
     
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    The answer is 1 if they dont own any DD wheel otherwise 0. Budget: probably €0 since they already have a wheel.

    I suggest you take a look at these other you call "games" (AC, ACC, Automobilista) and try to "restart" a race there.
     
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    The wheel jerk is a problem for everyone. Not just dd wheel owners. Tough for them it is health hazard on top of hardware hazard.
    Exit to monitor, and restarting the race from there requires few more clicks, but eliminates the issue completely. So it should not be unfixable issue for s397.
    Quickest way to fix would be removing the restart option from the in race menu when you hit esc, and leave only the "exit to monitor" -option there.
    I already restart the race that way, as i hate the unnecessary wheel jerk, since my (plastic) gear driven g27 is old, and i try to preserve it.
     
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    The problem is real and it happens every time a race is restarted ( if you want to find out, just start a race and after the start request a restart but be careful ). The only solution at the moment is to stop the car in a safe area with the steering wheel in the central position and then request a restart, this will avoid the bug. I hope for a definitive solution because as mentioned it is a dangerous bug.
     
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