[WIP] EnduranceRacingX PX by URD Pre-order with beta access available!

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  1. memoNo1

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    One thing I can tell you from experience. You will never receive an answer from URD. Seems to be a new business tactic to keep silent about everything. That's why I'm very careful with future purchases . Best example is the Detroit GTE.
     
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    It's still the best lmp1 mod out there, it's just that we don't have all the cars we were expecting when we bought it.
     
  3. t0p5ecret

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    It's not just that mate they need BoP for sure especially around Le Mans it becomes more and more apparent the more practice laps the AI get in.
     
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    I don't really have an issue with one LMP1 car being faster than another, though the gaps might be a bit larger than they historically should be.
     
  5. Flaux

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    I still hope the PX/EGT mods will get their final update to current standards. 2015 was such a mega year in endurance racing and with the new Le Mans track these cars would be perfect.
     
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  6. Foresight

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    they better do an update.
    we dont have what we paid for.
     
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  7. memoNo1

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    Do you think anything will happen after all this time? There are many talented modders here in the forum alone. Why isn't one of those hired by URD? I have no hope of improvement anymore. Even official DLCs from S397 have not been fixed for 1 year (GT3).
    This business model is very questionable.
     
  8. Sebastien Sestacq

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    the URD team of RF2 is dead I think, there is no one left to do the physics...we can forget there will be no more maj I think...only modding on assetto works well for them....
     
  9. Chris Lesperance

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    They are active on their Twitter with many other projects. They pretty much say that they have no one to do physics on the rF2 side. Until some one is able to do that for them, I don't expect them to release anything on rF2. With their other projects, I would consider this one "as is" due to the age of the product.

    Personal Comment: I just want them to do the "Ferruccio" EGT considering they filled in all the gaps on AC, and that is the only existing gap in rF2.
     
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  10. davehenrie

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    or release a plain jane Toyo shape they had displayed once.
     
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  11. davehenrie

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    I want to change my 'want.' Still release the TS-030 with the same physics as the Porsche. But the Nissan LM prototype. That was a failure in every way. It was designed as a hybrid but the hybrid parts only arrived just about the time the project was cancelled. I'd like to see some modder attempt to integrate the smaller brakes, front wheel drive, forward downforce and other pieces that were supposed to be in the real car. The hybrid was partially a brake energy recovery system, So the recovery system acted as a braking device as it stored energy. Thus smaller lighter brakes were possible. And the extra horsepower from the hybrid system would have added to it's acceleration.
    Maybe we could get in contact with the designer, Ben Bowlby and get a shopping list of unfinished features and try and bring them to the sim car.
     
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  12. FuNK!

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    I gave it a try to BoP the Venom to latest S397 GT3 by
    • adding S397 provided tyres (from the Tyre Database) with some minor modifications to the TGM and the default setup,
    • minor changes to the weight,
    • enabling the TC and ABS built-in system (more or less a simple copy/paste from Developers Guide),
    • and minor changes to the gears (based on what I found in the net on the VLN Viper GT3, not much off the original gearing).
    At least that's what I remember :D

    Now that I did only a couple of laps around Silverstone GT (unfortunately only with a Gamepad for now) I must say the car feels well and my personal lap times seem quite close to those of the S397 GT3. However, I'm very uncertain if this is any good and going in the right direction. Is anyone willing to give input on this?
     
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  13. Chris Lesperance

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    The Pirelli World Challenge use to have a lot of info. As SRO and the transition to full GT3 spec happened, it started to get locked down. Now everything on the competitor side, is locked behind a sign in. Any way, here is an Apendix A and a Pirelli tire sheet that I saved from 2016. I attached an example of the VTS that use to be on the WC site. Those were not provided for the GT3 cars. If some body has access to FIA documents, document GT3-036 should provide that level of detail.

    IMSA would also be a site to look into, but in the past, I've never found anything specifically for the cars. If it did, it was never to that level of detail.

    I think the only real difference between the GTE/GTLM and GT3 is the rear wing mounts. Are you possibly going to add that as well? Anyways, really looking forward to seeing your updates!
     

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  14. Stevy

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    Really nice. Had (or have) also plans to do this for some SimTek cars (Ferrari and Lambo).
    But the thing is. I'm not sure with releasing such cars.
    I mean they are still URD/SimTek cars. And if they don't know about this, or are not happy with the results, what then ?
    All the work for nothing ? Also when I would work on such cars. I would also like to give them a graphical update.
    But I have no clue and tools how to do this :)
     
  15. Chris Lesperance

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    URD is a bit different as it was a payware mod. For EGT, the Ferrari, Corvette, and Porsche was allowed to be used by Enduracers. The BMW, Viper and Aston was not used by them, which is very unfortunate. The Enduracers Aston, is actually really good, but that does need the final 2016-2019 model update. I have been wanting to get the BMW and Viper updated to the current Enduracers spec. One of the things on my list of things I want to do.

    For Simtek, he got out of modding a while ago now. I'm pretty sure he made a statement before he left that if people wanted to use his cars as a base, that can be done. So those are fair game for editing and releasing, but you also need to take into consideration of the sources of the models, as most were conversions. A BOP for the Ferrari and Lamborghini would be welcome.
     
  16. FuNK!

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    I actually found the VTS for the Viper (2014 revision draft though) in my research and I used that as well to review the physics - at least as far as I was able to :confused:

    But I honestly don't believe it makes sense to only focus on the documents. That's all theory and may still result in a car that is not up to level (or beyond) the current GT3 from S397. So let me rephrase my question or request a little: What would be needed to bring the Venom on a realistic pace compared to the S397 GT3? Are there any known relations or benchmarks, like:
    • "Viper should be slower than R8 but faster than 911 in top speed."
    • "Viper should have less corner speed than R8 but more than 650s."
    • "Viper best lap time on Silverstone should be ~ 2:06.4XX min."
    • "Viper best lap time on VLN Nordschleife should be 8:07.9XX min."
    • "Viper pit time should be between 160 sec and 320 sec."
    • "Viper should be able to go on a 6 lap stint on VLN Nordschleife with one set of tyres and a full tank."
    • ...
    This way one could try to alter all the required parameters (grip, rpm, torque, weight, engine lifetime, tyre lifetime, etc.) to achieve a Venom that can be driven along the S397 GT3 in a realistic way.

    SimTek is a completely different topic - don't let me start on that ;)

    URD had difficulties and all folks only complain instead of at least one offering help. So I'm sure that Ales will be open for discussion on how we could share any update we create if he sees support from the community. On the other hand, if I would publish an update that only includes physics, what should speak against that? I mean, only those who bought the car from URD will be able to use it anyway.
    Of course it is a different story regarding the 3d models. That would require Ales permission to release an update - and him actually sharing the update with URD customers and not me or anyone else. However, I've updated the visuals on the Venom and if there is a way to share, I certainly will ;)
     
  17. Will Mazeo

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    Maybe try getting in touch with the teams that ran the car in the US, you may bump into a friendly person that would love to see the car released with proper physics
    Tho I'm not sure how it goes with paid mods
    Black Swan Racing
    Lone Star Racing
    McCann Racing
    Riley Motorsports
     
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  18. davehenrie

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    The URD Venom(Dodge Viper) was the GTE Champion it's last season. So it's performance 'should' be equivalent to GTE cars. The problem is S397 killed the GTE cars over-all pace and they often mix in with the S397 GT3 cars which 'should' be several seconds slower.
     
  19. Will Mazeo

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    Not exactly. The Viper program was cancelled before the current GTE regulation was in effect, previously the pace between GTE and GT3 was almost non existent, new rules (2016+) focused on that because IMSA and ELMS were running both together.
    I think it's the GT3 cars that are too fast in rF2, tho right now everything is a mess so who knows

    I wouldnt try to BoP it with S397 GT3 in any case, you'll probably have to slow it down later so try to get real data and see the result
     
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  20. davehenrie

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    what? I had 3 more paragraphs explaining the Tudor vs GTe vs GT3 vs VLN. They all got wiped.
    So I'll sumarize. Viper started as a GT1 car at Le Mans. The category changed to GT2 around the 2000's & Viper had plenty of sucess in Europe and the States. Dodge left racing for some years, but Bill Riley built a new version of the car and it raced at what would have been GTE if the formula was present in the USA. )((I suspect the Viper was actually a Corvette in theory, Riley attempted to outbid Pratt & Whitney for the Corvette contract the previous year, so magically, the Riley Dodge Viper suddenly appeared the next season. That car won the Tudor Championship with some backing from Chrysler/Dodge.)) Then, after winning, Dodge again quit racing in sportscars. The various GTE level cars were converted to GT3 specs and at least three of them raced in the US for a few more years. The Zakspeed Viper also started life as a full blown GT2 car, but was nerfed to GT3 and then penalized more as Zakspeed sought to do end runs around the VLN rulemakers.
     

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