Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by 88mphTim, May 23, 2012.
Thanks mate worked a treat ..had all mods off but failed to uninstall some components
You can't really isolate the two, it comes mostly from suspension design. For some vehicles you may be able to reduce your caster angle a bit and increase the FFB Mult instead, but there are potential compromises in that. Still if it helps you get a better feel, reducing caster by a degree may be helpful, and to compensate for the overall weakened FFB strength as a result, increasing the multiplier to get it back to where you are happy.. Essentially you should get more 'tyre feel'.
Thank you, John. I was just about to shut it down for the evening. I will get right to work. I will also report back.
Just a question: I assume the up and down motion of tyres (on bumps and off-road) shouldn't really shake the steering rack sideways that much, so you're inputting both up and down and side to side movements to the FFB to make the bumps etc. stand out more than they would with a pure steering rack solution. Would it be possible to implement a slider or at least a controller file parameter that allowed you to scale these forces, or selectively dampen only the up/down forces?
If 100% total realism is to be realized the only place FFB should be generated is on the squeezing and pulling of the Steering rack. This is affected by caster, suspension geometry, tire grip, etc but it all still comes down to this single piece.
Now since the steering rack won't tell a stationary driver if the rear-end is coming out the sim needs to "fake" in some sort of reaction to the change in orientation of the rear of the car or tire slip. The only time you wouldn't need to fake anything is if you had a motion rig that could give you all the extra forces telling you about the physics of the car and your steering wheel would be set to only emulate the forces from the rack.
John, Thank you so very much. There is simply no way I would have ever known that I needed to install the Masters LAST. Here are a couple of differences that worked for me. Since I had already removed the program more than 4 times in the last 18 hours, I could not use the upgrade method. I went to the Control Panel and Programs and features in Win 7, and removed rF2. I then went to "My Documents" and removed the complete rFactor2 folder. From there I did the Build_85 install, then the updates/installs like you said. I did go to the "Core" folder and finish by adding ISI1052-10-FormulaISIr. If others are doing this method, may I suggest that you be very methodical as you install/update all of these files.
It now works perfectly. Spread the word. See you on the track. I owe you a beer mate. Randy maybe 2.
I didn't though, installed it before any of the other updated rfmods and worked fine. So not a hard rule.
Agreed - but did you try to drive it before you updated the FR3.5 for example? Guys were complaining of CTD's when they tried to drive it - all of them had NOT updated the others first. I agree, I don't think there is no hard and fast rule to the order you update them but there should be because the masters are dependent on some stuff in the FR3.5 - it should have shown as a problem mod before the FR3.5 was updated to 1.2, I think I saw Gjon comment on that in this thread (or the MK1 version).
This interdependency of the mods is fine in the BETA - but they had better be totally separate even if we download superfluous components (duplicated in more than 1 rfmod) to avoid the confusion. Already we see complaints around the various forums about why must I download THAT to drive THIS?
ISI well done on the latest update. This build has got myself and others i know back into giving it a good workout, were enjoying it very much at the moment. looking forward to more updates. i know there are still little problems but let others talk about that.
So does the 3.5 have drs as well, I think I saw that it does in real life now but I'm not too sure?
Great job on the last update ISI. The new formula feels great and the graphics update seems to going to the right direction.
Keep up good work.
Yep, they have DRS. It was introduced this year with new chasis, so last year's car in rFactor2's Formula Renault don't have it.
No, because the thread told to update everything (I would have done it anyway).
Is it just me or does anyone feel like the balance has changed since the update?
Also ffb is now feeling stiffer and with less sensitive feedback. Don't know if it's all in my head or that there is a real change?
Logitech G25 here.
My shadow errors have lessened but not gone away.
Posted this too http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/5734-Proper-Starter-Simulation
Its a small upset but still. These sort of issues should be worked out first before physics and graphics.
mans how to set DRS?
Ingame go to Settings>Controls>Driving scroll down to Rear Flap then assign a button or key.
Nice, does the DRS close when brake is applied?
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