BMW M4 Class 1 2021

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  1. EricW

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    When it's faster to enter a turn backwards you simply do it...for hunting or trying to reach full realism in simulation I think RF2 or any racing game is inappropriate atm.
    It's not real, so get over it.
    Great fun though, and in that department they are doing great.
    Apart from some flaws that need ironing out.
     
  2. Rastas

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    Just because is RF2 i shouldnt detach the ARB?By your toughs only race car mods shuold be alowed in RF2,no rally cars,no drift cars,no street cars etc etc.......big face palm......
     
  3. Nieubermesch

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    OMG, I meant this particular car, that is not supposed to be driven like that and there is more joy to drive this cars realistically (at least for most that prefer to play simulations for the realism... but I see why it isn't so popular :)). There are other cars where you have to detach and do all sort of different things to drive like they did and isn't far off. I don't really care if you drive with strange setups, but at least hope the physics can punish that and not allow exploits to the best they can. Just that. By the way, I love rallying and other driving disciplines lol, I just meant detaching the ARB on a car like this is not something you will see other then a simulation or just some fun porpose. The guy who mentioned detaching the ARB is just so he can control the throtle, not really the same as fun porpposes...
     
  4. Nieubermesch

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    Yeah, not full realism and also not far far way from realism... But whatever, continue to be fast driving like an arcade... For that go for arcade games... I don't get it.
     
  5. Sim_Player

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    Did some testing "detached " ARB V.S MAX ARB (on both axel)
    It looks like even "detached" ARB is quite bit stiff
    the difference between ride height, body roll, camber is quite low IMO. (i forgot to turn on rear camber channel)
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    So, even though M4 has like 20+ clicks on front ARB and 30+ clicks on rear ARB they are very small changes.
    my setup was quite close to default just minimum front ride height with 18mm (or 15mm) rake.
    Also car was NOT quite maintaining line on detached setup (hence i had hard time matching steering input on both setups )
     
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  6. TheGame316

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    FrontAntiSwayBase=
    This line may explain why a detached roll bar may still have stiffness, if it is set up in the HDV.
    Unfortunately the files for this vehicle are encrypted, unlike the 3d model itself.....
     
  7. Paulfield

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    So supersimguy they need to remove virtual mirrors from game and force cockpit view and disable all the difficulty setting so it is more realism. You are a champ LOL.
     
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  8. Nieubermesch

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    Of course not... It's an arbitrary thing, but my point is that there is less joy in my opinion to make strange setups. It's not a clear thing, but some aspects that sims offer in terms of tools that don't exist is normally to compensate for equipment limitations, like virtual mirrors... Not everyone has VR or a triple screen that you can see all of your mirrors... They don't need to force anything like that, but for those seeking more realism I mean there is more joy to go as much realistic as possible, and detaching ARB is not that, or rather, if that detached ARB means you can exploit and drive easily where in real life it wouldn't happen. There are people who play this sims to be the best and competitive, but some physics exploits ruin their simulation value.

    I just got that knee jerk reaction more because of the known exploits linked to detached ARB. I don't really care if people use it to make it easier on the setups, if it means that no exploits or faster way of driving is possible and actual world record fast...
     
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  9. Sim_Player

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    yea i saw upgrade file for M4 class 1, it is empty not a single word written there. Sometimes there are quite a bit info written in there even for official cars( GTE for example)
     
  10. Lazza

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    Possibly, yes.

    Perhaps more likely is that "Detached" isn't really detached unless you make it so using Special overrides. The currently downloadable physics spreadsheet doesn't do this. The game offers a switch to detach the ARB but doesn't actually do anything with it - except display "Detached" in the garage (while maintaining the normal base ARB value).
     
  11. Filip

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    No, you don't.
    There are players who experiment, recognise exploits and will do anything to achieve better lap times.
    And there are those who try to immerse themselves into driving a sim car the way they think it drives in real life and refuse to develop unrealistic techniques.

    When I was a kid if I found exploit/bug in a sim that lets me fly over chicane and gain time I would do it.
    No way I would do it nowadays, it simply doesn't interest me, it doesn't fit into my motives of playing racing sim.
     
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  12. Nieubermesch

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    This!
     
  13. EricW

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    I am far from being a kid either in age, my brain tries to fool me daily though ;)
    And I agree fully with you.
    I'm confident that behind the scenes people work hard and passionate on it.
    But imo this discussion only distracts and puts focus on one of the least important short comings that need to be addressed to improve the overall experience in RF2.
    (The basic setup is not bad at all btw, very enjoyable and well done)
     
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  14. John R Denman

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    Free! Now tell us what we did wrong!
    Normally I'm not much for racing sedans due to the lack of tunability, but hey, its free, so I gave it a whirl.

    Nice addition to the fleet.
     
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    good day, I've been trying the "BMW M4" for a week now, but is it possible that to go fast with this car, the curbs should not be touched in any way ?, is it real like that ?, because if I take the curbs the car yes breaks down waste time, it seems unreal to me, who knows more than me
     
  16. Rui Santos

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    Attacking curbs can make you lose time if the car is on the stiffer side. Also the wear increases, so probably yes...
     
  17. gecervi

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    But is it normal for the car to behave in this way? It is the first time that a car in this magnificent simulator does not like to take curbs, you absolutely must avoid curbs, otherwise the car goes slower and flies away
     
  18. Rui Santos

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    Probably yes!
     
  19. David O'Reilly

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    I've done a qualifying session and a couple of the Competition System Races today and really enjoyed it.
    This car has great FFB, great sounds, the carbon fibre detail in the cockpit is amazing.
    It does not stop on cold brakes and the front/rear grip balance evolution over a stint from Cold (oversteer) to balanced, to understeer on worn tyres is just a great immersive challenge.
    Thank you RFactor 2.
     
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  20. lagg

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    Have you tried the openwheelers?
     

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